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Gents,
Been debating a SM scout army for quite some time. I think with the new changes to scoring for 7th, I think it is a lot more viable now. Also for fluff reasoning I think a small point SM army with scouts makes sense, basically before the other 1500 pts. of the army shows up, the scouts recon. With that said, any suggestions? I am looking for lower points, 500-1k. The army doesn't need to be all scouts, but majority scouts. Ideas, suggestions?

I have come up with the following 500 Pts. Army...

Space Marines - Scout Army (494/1850pt.)


@HQ [ 1 ]

Librarian (65pt.) Psychic hood; Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Force weapon; Bolt pistol; Mastery Level 1;

@Troops [ 2 ]

10x - Scout Squad (155pt.)
> 1x - Scout Sergeant
; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Boltgun; Bolt pistol;
> 9x - Scout ; Scout armor; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Boltgun;
> 1x - Land Speeder Storm; Cerberus launcher; Jamming beacon; Heavy bolter;

9x - Scout Squad (144pt.)
> 1x - Scout Sergeant; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Boltgun; Bolt pistol;
> 8x - Scout; Scout armor; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Boltgun;
> 1x - Land Speeder Storm; Cerberus launcher; Jamming beacon; Heavy bolter;

@Heavy support [ 1 ]

5x - Devastator Squad (130pt.)
> 1x - Space Marine Sergeant ; Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Signum; Boltgun; Bolt pistol;
> 4x - Space Marine ; Power armour; Frag grenades; Krak grenades; Bolt pistol; Missile launcher;

Created by Head Quarters - online roster builder

I don't think you can have your scout Sgt equipped with a power armour..

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
I don't think you can have your scout Sgt equipped with a power armour..

That's just a typo.

In regards to the army itself?

i'd replace the devastators with an assault squad, and add a land speeder. and give your hq a jump pack.
maybe give one of the scout squads sniper rifles, and camo cloaks.
they're a recon unit, mobility and stealth are key.

Well the devastators dont really fit the fast recon fluff

morpheuschild wrote:i'd replace the devastators with an assault squad, and add a land speeder. and give your hq a jump pack.
maybe give one of the scout squads sniper rifles, and camo cloaks.
they're a recon unit, mobility and stealth are key.

That's how I use to use them. I think they would serve better as a mobile unit considering sitting and camping objectives doesn't seem to be the big meta with 7th.

ninjafiredragon wrote:Well the devastators dont really fit the fast recon fluff

I agree, but I do need some sort of heavy support option for those bigger units some armies can bring at 500 points.

 MadMaverick76 wrote:

ninjafiredragon wrote:Well the devastators dont really fit the fast recon fluff

I agree, but I do need some sort of heavy support option for those bigger units some armies can bring at 500 points.

This is were more Scouts ( I would always run in 10's for combat squads) with Storms come in. Fast cheap Melta platforms, with OS scoring. You can even use Sniper and Missile scouts in most non-AT Devastor roles.

I don't know what Chapter Tactics you are using, but I would suggest using Sentinels of Terra.

Combines with this style of army very well.

 Marius Xerxes wrote:
I don't know what Chapter Tactics you are using, but I would suggest using Sentinels of Terra.

Combines with this style of army very well.

I will look into it. Any suggestion as to why? I will have to see about getting a copy.

They get twin linked bolter fire at half range. When you infiltrate 60 combat squadded scouts with bolters/heavy bolters you can do some hefty damage first turn.

I like this army a lot, but I agree with replacing the devastators, they don't seem to fit the style of the army very well. Also, if you're going UM i'd stuggest taking Telion.

Alternate Idea: Replace the devastators with a straight up dreadnaught and take a drop pod?

MadMaverick76 wrote:I will look into it. Any suggestion as to why? I will have to see about getting a copy.

Eldarain wrote:They get twin linked bolter fire at half range. When you infiltrate 60 combat squadded scouts with bolters/heavy bolters you can do some hefty damage first turn.

This is why.

The range they are best played by nature gets a serious boost when combined with SoT Chapter Tactics.

A small 1000 point force of scouts could be fun.

Quick list based off your idea of a fast recon team:

Librarian (65)

2 x5 Scouts (168)
-4x Sniper Rifle
-Missile Launcher
-Camo Cloaks

2x 5 Scounts (230)
-4x CCW
-Combi-Flamer
-Meltabomb
-LSS
-Heavy Flamer

2x 5 Scouts (240)
-4x Bolter
-Combi-Melta
-LSS
-Multi-Melta

2x Stormtalon Gunship (250)
-Skyhammer

Quick army with a lot of threats and still 47 points left to spend.

Iron hands CT
MotF/w bike and conversion beamer
MofF/w bike and conversion beamer

6 scout squads/w CC weapon and melta bomb in LSS/w heavy flamer

Bike squad with 2x plasma and combi-plas+melta bombs on serg.

998 points, 12 OS units, 2 conversion beamers with a small 3 man body guard of 6 plasma shots. Highly mobile, can take out anything your opponent can bring at 1000 points. You might loose kill point missions if you dont table your opponent though.

Some very interesting ideas coming out. What about White Scars CT? Hit and Run with some assaulty scouts?

white scars is fine, but the extra 16.33% surviverbility and the IWND on the speeders is a bit stronger.

You should be charnging and destroying vehicles first with the melta bombs and krak grenades and then hopefully blinding and flaming the infantry inside afterwords. Hit and run doesn't help in that situation.

The downside for scouts is their WS3/BS3 and 4+ save. With creative chapter tactics choices, you can mitigate that with either Imperial Fists/Sentinels of Terra (in terms of the BS) and with Iron Hands/Clan Raukan (in terms of 4+ Save).

The White Scars tactics are decent overall, but don't really help out scouts as much as other units in the codex, and so you're not really getting as much benefit out of them.

You should definitely play it out several different ways though and see which way works out for you the best.

I have been running thirty scouts with hellfire bolter and three storms.

Serg has melta bombs and combi melta combat squads into the storm

Heavy bolter goes into the other squad.

With scout and infiltrate I can always be within rapidfire range if I go first. Its been pretty fantastic damage output.

Also if you go sentinels of terra your devs get tank hunter. Personally I am a fan of lascannons but that is a personal preference.

So for 500 points I would run something like this

2x 5 man scout squads at (storm, melta, combi melta)
Level 2 librarian
Fill rest of the points with a dev squad. Sentinels of terra

 Leth wrote:
I have been running thirty scouts with hellfire bolter and three storms.

Serg has melta bombs and combi melta combat squads into the storm

Heavy bolter goes into the other squad.

With scout and infiltrate I can always be within rapidfire range if I go first. Its been pretty fantastic damage output.

Also if you go sentinels of terra your devs get tank hunter. Personally I am a fan of lascannons but that is a personal preference.

So for 500 points I would run something like this

2x 5 man scout squads at (storm, melta, combi melta)
Level 2 librarian
Fill rest of the points with a dev squad. Sentinels of terra

Too light on the scouts? If it has been working, I will give it a shot. I am going to try going heavy scouts for a game or two...then try with a Dread in a DP, and then your suggestion. I like Dev's...and the more I read about the SoT rules, I like.

Try Land Speeder Typhoons.

Heavy weapons, fast, deep-strike-able, fairly cheap.

I run two Typhoons as an escort to a LSS and have had great luck. Long range hitting power for when you need to hang back, mobility for when you need to slide around.

Also, I've started kitting my Scouts with a Heavy Bolter because I usually get them in from Reserves too early. With a HB, they can sit in their ride, hang back at 36" (with the LSTs) and fire 6 HB shots a turn while strafing 6". Paired with two LSTs, that's 12 Heavy Bolts and 4 Missile shots a turn. And of course, the MLs can go from Anti-Armor to Anti-Infantry whenever needed.

Another tip - if you have the FA slots available, separate the LSTs as single-unit squadrons so you can spread fire if needed.

I dont think you are too light on the scouts, I am just saying what I have been running. I am probably going to drop it down to two 10 man units in most lists to save points as I want to work other things in.

What I like about the SOT scouts is that if I am going first I will be within twin-linked range with everything.

Infiltrate up to 18 away, Scout up to 12 away, then move forward an inch and BAMN everything is in rapid fire range. Combined with the fact that the bolter wont have to move to be in range it going to put the hurt on.

Combined with the heavy flamer and being open topped. Lots of potential there. Now I have to try going second to see how that changes things but even going second you can outflank a lot of stuff.

How about Scout bikes? They can outflank as well and they can get that nice rapid fire grenade launcher for some blast template action; put a locator beacon on the Sarge, and then deep strike the other scouts with a LSS

Personally dont think they are worth the points, mainly because they are not OS which kills a lot of their appeal. Also with the speed of scout and infiltrate you dont really need to be on bikes for anything, and if you are deep striking you could just outflank if you are really worried about scatter

Excuse my lack of knowledge (Marines are a detachment army for me) but what does OS means when you say scout bikes are 'not OS'? Only Scouts?

Objective Secured

Also for librarians sentinels of terra has an item that gives them +1 warp charge and they can re-roll failed psychic tests.

I love saving one dice at the end to try and draw out their dice before throwing a psychic scream on one.

Ah, right, my bad then...Yeah they lack the troop moniker, if aiming for a bound list.

Thanks.

Dudes,

MoF on bike with combi-melta with melta bombs

MoF on bike with combi-grav

10 scouts 4 with sniper rifles and 1 missle launcher, 5 with bolters, sarge with melta bombs

10 scouts 4 with sniper rifles and 1 missle launcher, 5 with bolters, sarge with melta bombs

10 scouts 4 with sniper rifles and 1 missle launcher, 5 with bolters, sarge with melta bombs

10 scouts 4 with sniper rifles and 1 missle launcher, 5 with bolters, sarge with melta bombs

5 scouts 4 with sniper rifles and 1 with a missle launcher sarge with melta bombs

3 scout bikers, sarge with melta bombs and combi-grav

3 scout bikers, sarge with melta bombs and combi-melta

998 points


MoF's join the bikers. Combi grav units will take care of MCs and TEQ. Combi melta unit will take care of armor. Combat the 10 man squads into sniper/ml units and bolter units. With IF tactics you've got separated units taking care of the appropriate targets, according to their CTs. That's 9 OS units with lots of firepower for a 1k game.

 Red Marine wrote:
Dudes,

MoF on bike with combi-melta with melta bombs

MoF on bike with combi-grav

10 scouts 4 with sniper rifles and 1 missle launcher, 5 with bolters, sarge with melta bombs

10 scouts 4 with sniper rifles and 1 missle launcher, 5 with bolters, sarge with melta bombs

10 scouts 4 with sniper rifles and 1 missle launcher, 5 with bolters, sarge with melta bombs

10 scouts 4 with sniper rifles and 1 missle launcher, 5 with bolters, sarge with melta bombs

5 scouts 4 with sniper rifles and 1 with a missle launcher sarge with melta bombs

3 scout bikers, sarge with melta bombs and combi-grav

3 scout bikers, sarge with melta bombs and combi-melta

998 points


MoF's join the bikers. Combi grav units will take care of MCs and TEQ. Combi melta unit will take care of armor. Combat the 10 man squads into sniper/ml units and bolter units. With IF tactics you've got separated units taking care of the appropriate targets, according to their CTs. That's 9 OS units with lots of firepower for a 1k game.

Interesting list. Not so sure of the sniper rifles. I have never used scout bikers, you guys have peaked my interest in them.

I personally would not bother with scout bikers and instead invest those points into storms. Drop the 5 man and bikes then put the combat squads of the other 4 in storms(with the bolters). Try and work in a combi-melta with the sergant as well. Number of times I wish I had a combi melta every game....

edit: Just won a tourney with my sentinels of terra scout list.

3x 10 scouts with combi melta, melta bomb, heavy bolter, and storm
lvl 2 librarian in terminator with SS(warlord) and sentinels psyker item
3x las/missle cents with omni
1x thunderfire cannon
6x dev, 4 with lascannon

Grey Knights

Coteaz
2x3 hench with psyker in psyback