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So I been tinkering around with an idea that I've wanted to try for a long time, pretty much ever since I clapped eyes on the LRC. I've always wanted one and the Termies to go with it, but alas price has always been an issue, but now... well, haha. Now I can actually afford this mighty duo of technological terror!

And here is how I was thinking of running it.

Terminator Captain w/ Storm Shield and T. Hammer

Terminator Chaplain w/ S. Bolter & Rosarius

Terminator Librarian w/ S. Bolter & F. Sword

5x Tactical Terminators, prrrrrobably with an Assault Cannon...

All bundled up together in a Land Raider Crusader.

With this, I'll have a great melee unit that can also pour out moderate amounts of dakka. Anything that doesn't die to that will melt in CC. The Librarian is there to basically just be an Anti-Psyker, while the Chaplain keeps them on the board. I intend on running the Termie Captain out front to soak up shots with his IWND and 3++.

The only issue I can see with this is that it's a lot of points, and the set-up doesn't really bring any anti tank other than good old fashioned power fisting and thundersplatting.

Any comments or ideas? How do I make the best use of these guys once they're built?

Maybe switch the assault cannon for a CML. That woould be my idea, gives a little variety

Actually...

I was going to say no because I figured that the CML would cause me to be tempted to fire it at vehicles, thus rendering SBs useless in most cases. On the other hand however, when all you can shoot at, or have to shoot at is a tank it would be better to have the option wouldn't it.

But... then again, when firing at infantry the best the CML can do is ap3, whereas the AC can get rending and potentially more wounds at an ap value. The CML firing a frag missile has a really poor ap and if you're me, is really inaccurate.

So really I guess it comes down to what the squad as a whole should be doing and that is multitasking. Sure the CML fits that bill by virtue of adding another str8 weapon to the list, but in reality it's not that much of a bonus to the group. Even if you don't get rending on the AC that is still a wound that will pierce most armour. The CML has half the amount of shots and when you need ap2, ap3 is just another armour save. At least with the AC you can hope to get the rend.

Also with the Librarian in there and his Force weapon, he doesn't really lend himself to shooting down armour, Chaplain too. So I think that when it comes to hard targets the best thing to do is charge in swingin', maybe leave the shooting to the tanks.


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Urgh! What a dolt!

I just realized that this would be 3 HQ, so nix the Librarian and toss in another Tactical!

It would work in games where we agreed on unbound or combined arms, but I think I want to build my army around the traditional single FOC, and have the option of adding more to do those things rather than build a list around them specifically.

Doesn't matter though because I already had the Librarian, now I just need the other 7!

And well you know... the Land Raider!

I agree the AC is better - you want this squad to be totally focused on what's within 24". And decent shooting in that range (from both vehicle and the squad) is important, to help avoid the squad getting swamped.

But this squad will be a bucket load of points - if your opponent can bog them down, they won't have much game effect.

Worth trying though - if they don't work for you, you can use them in other ways

Except, termies have splitfire special rule, so you can fire the CML at vehicles if you're so inclined and the storm bolters at what ever you so please.

bryceloop wrote:
Except, termies have splitfire special rule, so you can fire the CML at vehicles if you're so inclined and the storm bolters at what ever you so please.

Are you thinking of centurions? Because my sm terminators don't have split fire, unless i've missed something on the CML

DW Termies do have split fire. Prolly that's where it's from...

This wouldn't do well against throwaway units.

Another option for the heavy would be to take the HF. While it doesn’t see much use, you should be dumping out of the LRC in close range, so a little burning might be fun. And it saves a chunk of points.

If you are using tactical terminators, toss a chainfist or two in there. Even with all the S8 attacks, it takes a lot of hits to crack open AV14. But with a chainfist or two you can erase anything pretending to be a vehicle or structure.

Do you really need a heavy weapon in there? Or the terminator captain and librarian for that matter.

As they are not DW terminators, they will rarely be using their heavy weapon on the optimal target, and this is besides the point that shooting terminators are plain awful for their points.
I'd give them TH/SS and make them a solid cc unit, not some mediocre in between hybrid that can't decide what to be. Get them into assault. If you can't do this then you shouldn't be wasting a turn shooting, they should either get back in the landraider or start running.

darkcloak wrote:

Terminator Captain w/ Storm Shield and T. Hammer

Terminator Chaplain w/ S. Bolter & Rosarius

Terminator Librarian w/ S. Bolter & F. Sword

5x Tactical Terminators, prrrrrobably with an Assault Cannon...

All bundled up together in a Land Raider Crusader.

That's one crazy ass clown car, man. I'd play keep-away for as long as possible or throw sacrificial units in front of it.

Well that's sort of the idea really. Throw a lamb in front of that and it will get eaten. If you're sticking something in with that unit that can actually tie it up, chances are I wanted that to happen. What would your heavy hitters be doing if not dancing around with my Termies? Beating the crap out my other dudes that's what!

I think chain fists would be a good option, but with only 6 guys in the squad I don't really want to spread a whole lot of points around. Maybe swapping the fancy weapon for a couple chains would be a better idea, more able to deal with high AV.

The Termie Captain is partly fluff, because hey? Who has a Veteran Company without a Terminator Captain? And like I said earlier, nix the Librarian to keep it simple.

darkcloak wrote:
Well that's sort of the idea really. Throw a lamb in front of that and it will get eaten. If you're sticking something in with that unit that can actually tie it up, chances are I wanted that to happen. What would your heavy hitters be doing if not dancing around with my Termies? Beating the crap out my other dudes that's what!

I think chain fists would be a good option, but with only 6 guys in the squad I don't really want to spread a whole lot of points around. Maybe swapping the fancy weapon for a couple chains would be a better idea, more able to deal with high AV.

The Termie Captain is partly fluff, because hey? Who has a Veteran Company without a Terminator Captain? And like I said earlier, nix the Librarian to keep it simple.

As those are just Tac Termies, I would not throw a heavy hitter a them. Swap them in something cheap let it take all game to chew through. Also shooty units in a landraider is kind of a point sink, no fire points so can't use the shooting. Every round in the raider is a round i am not taking fire.

Well I did say partly fluffy. I'm not looking to min max the Terminators, just wanted some opinions on how I plan to run them. It's really more about the presentation of it and a desire to do something slightly different.

But I do get a good idea from this of what the unit lacks, or will suffer against. It looks like most people will try to tie these guys up with swarms, though I think the tactic could easily be broken through, or perhaps nullified altogether by taking said swarms out first with other units, or at least weakening them.

I have the boxes in hand now, so really it's just a matter of deciding how to equip them. Haven't sprung for the LRC yet, so for now they'll probably be teleporting in. Cue cries of angst against teleporting.