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Preemptive TLDR: Assume Kapu Qualki for link team action, if I'm deadset on 4-5 kaplans, what else would you suggest I take? I know little to nothing of Haq.

Title may be a bit misleading. What I'm after... I really like the look of the KTS. I don't *necessarily* love all things Haq, but the KTS are on my to buy list for painting alone. I'd like to have a field-ready list though, just in case. This will come down to aesthetics, partially, but would anyone care to offer up some suggestions to flesh out a list involving them? I'm thinking of the Kapu Qualki since AVA 5 and link team etc. I'm still a bit of a n00b at infinity lists as I'm mostly painting it right now, what else would I need to be effective? Seems like these guys would be a reasonably effective murderblob with a sniper rifle and spitfire (which just so happen to have models!), but which mooks and specialists do I need to round them out? I don't really care which points value, be it 200 or 300, probably hard to take five of them with a much smaller list.

I do like nomads... The Kaplans are all LI surprisingly, would a Mobile Brigada be advisable, or does KQ have access to something better from the Haq side of things. You'd think I'd want to take the Al waziri/alguaciles or whatever, but I don't really like the models much. Are Al Waziri just normal nomad Alguaciles or are they modeled in a different way? The Iguana is pretty fantastic, but does he fit into a list with 4-5 kaplans? Seems like the link team and TAG would be fighting over orders.

So what do you say, help a fellow out? What would you guys do if you were dead-set on taking 4-5 kaplans? The Iguana is mighty tempting, but at the same time it would be including two spendy order vacuums leaving less points for specialists. I'm unfamiliar with Haqqislam, perhaps you guys know of something just too awesome to leave at home that I'm unaware of?

Thanks for reading through that, I know it's a bit of a jumble!


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As a thought, if the Nomad side of things was viable... could look into the vanilla Nomad starter to get 3 Alguaciles and Mobile brigada. The other two would be "free" (compared to buying individual models and not boxen), and go well to grow my Bakunin force into a more option-having vanilla range. Briefly glancing over the Haq HI though, the MB seems pretty solid but basic, Haq has more frills maybe... Oh well I'll see what you guys have to say

QAPU KHALQI
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GROUP 1 10 0 0

KAPLAN Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 29)
KAPLAN Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (23)
KAPLAN Doctor Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Pistol, Knife. (28)
KAPLAN Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Pistol, Knife. (24)
HAFZA (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (20)
ODALISQUE Submachine gun, Contender, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (25)
ODALISQUE Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 31)
ODALISQUE (Fireteam: Haris L1) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26)
HAWWA' Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 33)
DJANBAZAN HMG / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 36)

GROUP 2 2 0 0

HAFZA Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (17)
KAMEEL (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (8)

5 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 4

I'd try something like this.

Interesting, especially since there are 12 dudes. I'm shaky on the rules, is there a benefit to having the LT in the second group like that? I saw those Odalisques, they seem pretty nasty, dose the fireteam:haris allow them to link up even though the Kaplans are?

Part of this is that I'm trying to eat up some of my amazon rewards points, so I've been shopping there (not the best prices, but some things are reasonable enough, and the points were "free"). I noticed the nomad starter box and plugged everything into the army builder and it kind of came out.

QAPU KHALQI
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GROUP 1 10 0 0

KAPLAN Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (23)
KAPLAN Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Pistol, Knife. (24)
KAPLAN MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 37)
KAPLAN Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 29)
KAPLAN Doctor Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Pistol, Knife. (28)
MOBILE BRIGADA Lieutenant MULTI Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (43)
ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)
ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)
ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)
HAWWA' Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 33)

3 SWC | 247 Points

Open with Army 4


I'm actually pretty keen on both the Hawwa hacker and sniper minis, and wouldn't mind picking those up at all. The list could have a hidden algaucile LT, or a tougher MB LT. For just the kaplan box, a starter box, and two blisters. But would it work... at all? I wouldn't mind getting this and then working it into something like what Red Harvest suggests, with Odalisques and other cool Haq stuff, once I get more used to the idea of having a proper Haqqislam army

But would it work at all? With the Nomad stuff?

Sekban are pretty nice, despite people always suggesting Odalisques.

A list I've considered running is this:
QAPU KHALQI
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GROUP 1 9 0 0

KAPLAN Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (23)
KAPLAN Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (23)
KAPLAN MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 37)
KAPLAN Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 29)
KAPLAN Engineer Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (27)
SEKBAN Lieutenant AP Rifle, Chain-colt / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (25)
SEKBAN (Fireteam: Haris L1) AP Rifle, Chain-colt / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26)
SEKBAN Heavy Rocket Launcher, Chain-colt / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 36)
HAWWA' Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 33)

5.5 SWC | 259 Points

Open with Army 4

Huh yeah that looks pretty interesting as well. Basically replaces the nomad stuff with a group of sekban, keeping the hawwa guy around. Cool.

What pointsvalue are you aiming for? I guessed 300.

The hafza Lt. generally holoprojects as something like a najjarun. No advantage or disadvantage to putting him in group 2. You'll use his regular order to move the minesweeper along. You just don't want him to seem like a Lt.
That is for the hafza FO to do, until he is revealed.

The hafza FO can project as anything, and is a useful specialist and can form a 5 man link with the kaplans. The +3BS is very nice. plus another specialist in the link.

Odalisques are more or less there for defense. By putting them in the haris, you get an extra link (+1 to burst). I would give one of them the 360 visor too. They are quite capable of going on a killing spree if needed.

The Hawwa are a great unit. A must include in any QK list for me.

Have you looked at the QK starter box? that plus what you've already suggested would give you a nice set. The only other thing to consider with QK is perhaps Yuan Yuan.

I don't use nomads in my QK, just Haqq. But what you've listed would work fine. The one thing about going big with the kaplans is that they are pricey. Great units and cool minis though.

 GrimDork wrote:
Huh yeah that looks pretty interesting as well. Basically replaces the nomad stuff with a group of sekban, keeping the hawwa guy around. Cool.

Plus it lets you sneak an extra fireteam of 3 in.

While I was picking what faction to expand into as a new force, I figured this would be a fun force for a non-Haqq QK army....

Alguacil (This model or MB is Lt.)
Alguacil (Paramedic)
Mobile Brigada MULTI Rifle + LFT (This model or non-paramedic Alguacil is Lt.)
Iguana
Kaplan (Doctor)
Kaplan (Engineer) Blitzen
Kaplan (Engineer) ADHL, D-Charge
Kaplan Spitfire
Kaplan MULTI Sniper Rifle
Yuan Yuan Chain Rifle, Shock CCW

Orders: 9 Regular, 1 Irregular, 1 Impetuous

300pts, 4.5 or 5.5 SWC (depends on Lt.)

If you don't like the Alguacil models, remember that Al Waziri are also just representing mercenaries. I don't think anyone will bat an eye if you used whatever line infantry from another faction you liked.

Interesting list noir, and it even has an iguana

@red mostly I want an excuse to own Kaplans, 5 is 140 something so at least a 200 pt list but I'm not picky. I really need to brush up on the rules, I didn't realize that hafza can link with Kaplans... is that a special ability of theirs? Makes them much more interesting, and its kind of like the boss sending an overseer for the hired help.

Pricey Kaplans means I don't need a lot to flesh out the list though

@kan, I though that was what the haris meant, pretty handy. Cool models too.


Hmmmm. So maybe I ought to hold off on the nomad starter at least until ice storm is unveiled... I'll have to look into that KQ starter a bit more as well.

Thanks guys, this is helpful



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@Loki great googly moogly, that's a lovely idea. I think dead zone human rebs, or possibly corporation marines could easily fill out the tough but basic trooper profile... and the rebs are pretty ragtag to boot. Even if trouble was given over that, ill have plenty of Moderators sittiing around who could sub. Thanks for that, definitely nix the nomad starter then.

Yeah Hafza can link with anybody who can link. But the minute anybody in the link rolls a die for any reason, the hafzas are revealed. They cannot be in a Haris link though, only Sekban and Odas do that.

Moderators make fine Al-Waziri. You'll see the new Nomad box before the end of July. At the latest it will be unveiled at a big even in Vigo Spain on that last week-end 25th-27th but it won't be available as a separate box until many months later. Unknown how many.

Small clarification - Hafza can link with any link team. They cannot link with a Haris team.

Yeah that's pretty cool, makes them more interesting. And evenif you have a full link or 4+1 hafza, a second could fill in for a casualty. I'll have to look up the whole holo projection thing, sounds complicated. And a new color scheme, I realize its a Haq thing, but I dont favor all of the tan.

This all makes the KQ starter more appealing, a few of these versatile hafza, the hawwa hacker I wanted, a djanbazan sniper to make up for taking the hacker hawwa, and an odalisque who isn't in the box set of 4.

Damnit, you guys must be secret CB reps here to make me spend a fortune

Now I just wonder if one really needs the fifth Kaplan if he has option to field three hafza. And one even has that same spitfire.

 GrimDork wrote:
I'll have to look up the whole holo projection thing, sounds complicated.

It's not. The basic jist of it is:

1. Models with Holoprojector L1 may be replaced, at the deployment stage, without the spending of orders or any roll, with another model from a unit represented in your army.

For example, if you have Ghulam, Hawwa and KTS in your army, you may deploy the Hafza using a model from one of those units.

2. The model that is using the Holoprojector may only perform Cautious Movement or any short movement skills that do not require a roll.

So a Hafza FO can move around freely with a link. But as soon as you roll for an objective, he is revealed. If you fire its weapon (even in ARO), it is revealed.

3. It can reactivate its Holoprojector after being revealed at any time using one order but no roll and as long as no enemy models can draw line of fire to it.

 GrimDork wrote:
Yeah that's pretty cool, makes them more interesting. And evenif you have a full link or 4+1 hafza, a second could fill in for a casualty. I'll have to look up the whole holo projection thing, sounds complicated. And a new color scheme, I realize its a Haq thing, but I dont favor all of the tan.

This all makes the KQ starter more appealing, a few of these versatile hafza, the hawwa hacker I wanted, a djanbazan sniper to make up for taking the hacker hawwa, and an odalisque who isn't in the box set of 4.

Damnit, you guys must be secret CB reps here to make me spend a fortune

Now I just wonder if one really needs the fifth Kaplan if he has option to field three hafza. And one even has that same spitfire.

Naw just Haqq players. To answer your last question, no. I've done a 3 hafza 2 Djan (Doc and HMG) link before. Hafza are the glue of QK, or so we say.

Also about the Hafza in the link, any die roll by any member of the link reveals the Hafza. To repeat what I posted earlier. Since we are repeating what I posted earlier about other things

So obviously if he's masquerading as a kaplan with four other kaplans, I'd need to have 5 models, yes? Otherwise there is no deception. Is the deception the only benefit? I mean people are still free to target the Hafza, though they won't readily know which one he is. If this is the case, what is the benefit of reactivating the holoprojector? Turn him into a Kaplan again and then have them move around eachother and hope by the next couple of turns that he forgets where you put the actual boss?

What benefit does this ability serve for a Hafza moving independently, to pretend to be something less important to your forces? Such a n00b, just like painting pretty models, though playing would be sweet.


This thread has been very useful, at first glance I thought I only liked things from the Hassassin side of Haq, but I've seen a lot of models to like while browsing for KQ.

Another benefit of Hafza is cheaply putting bodies into link teams. For example, if you wanted to run a full Janissary link with all the link bonuses, without Hafza you'd have to pay at least 225 pts. Swapping a HI out for a Hafza saves you about 28 pts. each time without diluting the fire teams fighting ability to much. In links a good portion of the team spends it's active phase generating link bonuses for the one guy actually shooting, Hafza free up those points to be somewhere else.

Since there's a Forward Observer Hafza, they can be used to add ITS specialists to links that normally wouldn't have one or to replace Doctors in link teams that have them.

Lone Hafza can also be used to bluff, disguise as a Feurbach Azra'il to dissuade people from taking a certain path. Disguise a Lt. Hafza as a Ghulam hacker to make your opponent think your hacking is better than it actually is.

Hiding points is a big deal in Infinity. If your opponent thinks you have more points on the table then you actually do; they're more likely to let their guard down against AD or TO hidden deployment.

There's almost never a reason to re-holo the Hafza unless your opponent is particularly absent-minded.

Alright, the point about re-holoing confirms my suspicions, at least I get that much

Yeah.. subtlety and fancy tricks seem to be the name of the game, and Haq is proving to have some interesting moves in it's repertoire.

If I heard correctly from above, for the Hafza to disguise as the Azra'il, I'd have to have another one out?

Holo L1 allows the Hafza to disguise as any profile available to QK not just what's in your army list or on the table.

The only restriction is it cannot disguise as model that has a different base size or clearly different body shape. So it can't Holoproject as a REM or G:Servant.

*edit Hmm... You might want to confirm this with your local players. In my area we use a more liberal interpretation of "army" for Holo L1 so we allow any profile available to the army.

**edit 2 Checked the Infinity rules forum, they're going with it does not have to be present in your list.

Oh, cool. So if I happen upon a cool/dangerous looking Haq model available to QK, I have little reason not to pick it up just so my Hafzas would have a larger pool of holo targets.

Neat, thanks


Hmm... I wonder if anyone would be bothered if I used Nomad remotes to count as QK remotes, since they could have been sold to the merc company etc... Better go look at their silhouettes, I know some remotes are a lot different than the nomad half-spider things.

This is what I played with when I wanted to run Kaplans and the Iguana.

Haqqislam - Qapu Khalqi | 10 models
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Iguana (73|2)
Kaplan Eng A (27|0)
Kaplan Doctor (28|0)
Kaplan Sniper (37|1.5)
Hafza Rifle (17|0)
Hafza Lieutenant (17|0)
Husam Rifle (-0 bs, Viral Sniper Rifle, Minelayer, Hacker (Hacking Device), Doctor) (17|0|12xp)
Sekban Haris (26|1)
Sekban Spitfire (29|1.5)
Sekban Doctor (26|0)
Nasmat (3|0)
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300/300 points | 6/6 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : http://goo.gl/v4ZRDi

Haqqislam - Qapu Khalqi | 10 models
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Iguana (73|2)
Kaplan Eng A (27|0)
Kaplan Doctor (28|0)
Kaplan Sniper (37|1.5)
Hafza Rifle (17|0)
Hafza Lieutenant (17|0)
Nasmat (3|0)
Husam Rifle (-0 bs, Viral Sniper Rifle, Minelayer, Hacker (Hacking Device), Doctor) (17|0|12xp)
Odalisque Spitfire (31|1)
Odalisque Haris (26|1)
Odalisque Shotgun (24|0)
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300/300 points | 5.5/6 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : direct link

Huh yeah that looks pretty intimidating, hafzas to fill up links, haris teams in both lists. Forgot you could take the little super cheap remotes for orders. I guess the Husam guy is the Spec Ops/ whatever you build out of experience yeah? Not real familiar with them but it looks like he's covering a lot of bases there.

Hafza with spitfire makes a nice 2nd Saladin. And a very rude surprise too.

Nasmats do not provide orders though. But the 8 point kameel minesweepers do.

 Red Harvest wrote:
Hafza with spitfire makes a nice 2nd Saladin. And a very rude surprise too.

Nasmats do not provide orders though. But the 8 point kameel minesweepers do.

And Kameels in general are rather useful. Being able to use them to evactuate downed troops is cool. And though all they have is Rifles, they do get Total Reaction, so that can be useful to discourage people.

Ahh, that's what I was thinking of, the really basic remote for orders. The nasmat is just the doctor/engineer drone, my mistake.

Now an enjoyable use for the Kameel minesweeper is to *convert* your opponent's CrazyKoalas. Then watch the fun.

Huh I don't know they could do that. Lunokhod sputnik is even more hilarious than I thought, then.

Oh yes Engineers cannot though. How do you think the Lunokhod gets its Koalas in the first place?

Heh, I just figured he got some issued like everyone else, the Japanese TAG gets them, and so do the Moran hunters. But yeah, it's more amusing to think he steals them. I guess that's an aspect of minesweeper? Or hacking through the repeater? I used to know the stats better but haven't tried playing in months.

Looking to do Kaplans, eh? They're pretty much what made me start buying Haqq figures in the first place. What made you decide to take the plunge?