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I was wondering, could a CSM leader (Chaos lord etc) take 2 artifacts?

The general consensus here is: No, one for one does not mean two for two.
There is a small minority whom disagree though, believing that it can be evoked twice or that it exists just to ensure a weapon is swapped. Personally I don't like the way those are worded at all, though my hate is for the and/or options, as they could of been a little more clear in their instructions. Only one thing I can say for sure, if they intended for more then one Artefact on a Lord they have gone about it wrong because the wording does limit the selection to one per model.

And then you have people like me who cannot see the argument given for only allowing one. No mater how many times I've read it and tried to look at it a different way, I come to the same conclusion: that so long as you only take one of each artifact max in an army, any model that has access to them can take whichever they want. So one model could take all of them (provided they meet the criteria) or six models could take one of them (provided you don't take the same one more than once).

I can't see it any other way.

Trading two weapons for two artifacts isn't allowed when you're only allowed to trade one weapon for one artifact. You're trying to read it as trading a weapon for each artifact taken. That's not what the rules say.

You can take more than 1 relic.

The crimson slaughter supplement has artefacts that replace the normal CSM ones, and it explicitly allows for taking more than 1 relic, as they list and example character with 3 relics.

There is no additional rule saying that it is an exception to any rule, only that they replace the relics in the CSM codex.

So why list an example character with 3 relics if you can only take 1?

 Ghaz wrote:
Trading two weapons for two artifacts isn't allowed when you're only allowed to trade one weapon for one artifact. You're trying to read it as trading a weapon for each artifact taken. That's not what the rules say.

This.

 BarBoBot wrote:
You can take more than 1 relic.

The crimson slaughter supplement has artefacts that replace the normal CSM ones, and it explicitly allows for taking more than 1 relic, as they list and example character with 3 relics.

There is no additional rule saying that it is an exception to any rule, only that they replace the relics in the CSM codex.

So why list an example character with 3 relics if you can only take 1?

And is the wording different? And is this example a special character?

The example shows you how to field the chaos lord model from dark vengeance.

There is no unit entry or point cost, only a list of wargear that they say you can use to represent the character from the box set.

As for the wording for the replacement relics "any character in your crimson slaughter detachment that can select chaos artefacts can not select from those listed in codex: chaos space marines, but can instead select from the relics of the crimson slaughter, presented opposite, at the points cost shown."

 BarBoBot wrote:
You can take more than 1 relic.

The crimson slaughter supplement has artefacts that replace the normal CSM ones, and it explicitly allows for taking more than 1 relic, as they list and example character with 3 relics.

There is no additional rule saying that it is an exception to any rule, only that they replace the relics in the CSM codex.

So why list an example character with 3 relics if you can only take 1?

The wording in CS places no one for one requirement. CSM states one for one.

If you replace two for two, you have categorically not replaced one for one

The crimson slaughter has no wording that changes how you take relics.... As I posted previously, it simply states you no longer have access to the standard relics, but instead the crimson slaughter relics.

How you purchase the relics is not changed.

 BarBoBot wrote:
The crimson slaughter has no wording that changes how you take relics.... As I posted previously, it simply states you no longer have access to the standard relics, but instead the crimson slaughter relics.

How you purchase the relics is not changed.

Yes, it has changed how you purchase relics by removing the statement that a model can only replace one weapon with one artefact. Look at the section of text in the Crimson Slaughter supplement between the header 'Relics of the Crimson Slaughter' and the entry for the Crozius of the Dark Covenant. No restriction on only replacing one weapon with one artefact. Why are you using rules for Chaos artefacts when the supplement tells you that you don't use them?

Where is this one for one restriction? It's not there.

"Only one of each of the following artifacts may be taken per army."

Tell me where you see one for one in that sentence.

The presence of he word "each" places a restriction that only one can be taken per army, not per character.

The option in the codex reads: "May take items from [places] and/or Chaos Artifacts."

Where does it say one for one here?

It can be found in the Chaos Artefacts section of the Wargear list.

"A model can replace one weapon with one of the following."

its disappointing, i play chaos and never noticed it. until i was looking through the ork codex, and saw where you're only allowed one of their relics per model. went back and read the chaos artifacts section again, and plain as day there it was "one weapon for one..." oh well it is what it is.

 BarBoBot wrote:
The crimson slaughter has no wording that changes how you take relics.... As I posted previously, it simply states you no longer have access to the standard relics, but instead the crimson slaughter relics.

How you purchase the relics is not changed.

Incorrect, as already clearly stated. One for one IS a restriction. Replacing two for two is not replacing one for one. CS has no one for one requirement

 Cheexsta wrote:
It can be found in the Chaos Artefacts section of the Wargear list.

"A model can replace one weapon with one of the following."

Wow that's awful. My gaming group will continue to allow as many per model as you'd like because we think they wrote it wrong, but I guess that does change my tourney lists.

Also, why would games workshop explicitly give an example of a chaos lord in the crimson slaughter supplement that has three artifacts if you're only allowed one per model?

Because as already noted, Crimson Slaughter is a different book which doesn't use Chaos artefacts.

 Ignatius wrote:

 Cheexsta wrote:
It can be found in the Chaos Artefacts section of the Wargear list.

"A model can replace one weapon with one of the following."

Wow that's awful. My gaming group will continue to allow as many per model as you'd like because we think they wrote it wrong, but I guess that does change my tourney lists.

Also, why would games workshop explicitly give an example of a chaos lord in the crimson slaughter supplement that has three artifacts if you're only allowed one per model?

Because they aren't nitpicky, rules lawyers or have PhDs in grammar. They play it RAI (and they can decide the RAI, since they made the rules).

Sweet. So is it possible if I had Eg the Black Mace (Replacing 1 weapon) and the Scrolls of Magnus (which does not replace 1 weapon) on the same character?

Question.

There is wording that says "may only take one of the following" which indicates one and only one from the list.

The artifact list states trade one weapon for one of the following. It doesnt say only one trade may be made.

CSM hq's come with 4 weapons by default, could you not trade out all 4 if inclined? you are still following the 1 for 1 stipulation no?

Rakear wrote:
Question.

There is wording that says "may only take one of the following" which indicates one and only one from the list.

The artifact list states trade one weapon for one of the following. It doesnt say only one trade may be made.

CSM hq's come with 4 weapons by default, could you not trade out all 4 if inclined? you are still following the 1 for 1 stipulation no?

Already covered in this thread. It does not allow you to trade two or more weapons, only one. It's not a ratio, it's an absolute of only one weapon being able to be traded for one artifact.

Is trading out two for two what you've been allowed to do? No.

Guys you have to understand that some relic do not swap weapon, this is something it should be faq.
2 relic of space marine and dark angel are not weapon, are the same in term of special rule and or itiem ( relic that give 2+ or specil rule like EW and IWND) and are listed as relic that do not swap onwer weapons.It mean that this should be faq cos: Skull of.... (BL supplement it give EW and AW), crucial lies(BL supplement: -1 tough reroll inv of 1) and deamonheart armor (CS: armor that give 2+ and IWND) are things that are not weapons at all.
Crucial lies, it can be, for his description, even a back as it can assume every form.
These thing are the same that in space marine and dark angel are classified as relic that do not swap weapon and need to be fixed on BL and crimson slaughter too, indeed every things that should stay on a arm as a weapon or a shield need to be changed with the relic, but it's pointless tell that a skull or a relic armor should take the place of your weapon, are you seriusly going tell me that i have to pay 30 and loose a weapon for change an armor when the armor take place of my old 3+ armor? is my HQ stupid?, furthermore as i alredy said SM and DA codex give us the previous we are looking for, About the question of more relic, is write in csm codex that " can be only 1 relic per ARMY"; army mean army not model and is write black on white

However, it does say that only "1 of each of the following artifacts may be chosen per army" so I believe that you could have the black mace on one character but not on another and so on. In the CSM codex it says that "A model can replace 1 weapon with 1 of the following" and for some (Like the Scrolls of Magnus) this does not occur, thus Terto I believe you could take the armour and not replace 1 of the weapons, also in my case I could take the Scrolls of Magnus and the Black Mace on 1 character but on another character I would have to choose different artifacts.