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Alpharius wrote: I'm more concerned that the first two Kindreds out of the gate are Albainn and Jutes - two of the three Kindreds that I DON'T collect for Darklands!
Oh man, you've got all the rest!? You can supply a whole club of gaming (although I know many kindreds don't have a lot of models yet). Bring them to AdeptiCon next year!
Looks like my War Demon shipped on Friday. Looking forward to finally getting him! I'll probably sit out this next KS, mostly because of money. Unless, of course, there's some cool Infernii models. That might break me.
Alpharius wrote: I'm more concerned that the first two Kindreds out of the gate are Albainn and Jutes - two of the three Kindreds that I DON'T collect for Darklands!
Oh man, you've got all the rest!? You can supply a whole club of gaming (although I know many kindreds don't have a lot of models yet). Bring them to AdeptiCon next year!
Yes, I've got too much Darklands - though really, I don't feel that's possible!
I ditched WFB totally though, and Darklands is my main (only?) fantasy game now.
In my defense, I've only got a small force for some Kindreds, but I've gone big on others!
I'd like to back this KS for the Jutes, but I've got two orders from previous KS's that I haven't received yet, even though at least one contains completed models that should be ready to ship.
Hopefully they will arrive soon, but it does irritate me a little when I see that purchases from the online store (e.g the miscasts pictured earlier) are given priority over KS backers.
The miscasts are a byproduct of regular production, which is Mierce's bottleneck; sorting a few bags of those and shipping those out is hardly (if at all!) going to impact production of the miniatures you're waiting for.
Bolognesus wrote:The miscasts are a byproduct of regular production, which is Mierce's bottleneck; sorting a few bags of those and shipping those out is hardly (if at all!) going to impact production of the miniatures you're waiting for.
Yeah, you're right. I feel better after my mini-moan though.
decker_cky wrote:You could go in for £10 if you want to keep the door open a bit longer, but don't want to fully commit at this point.
That's probably what I will end up doing, although if Mierce do the usual 20% (or more?) off the existing range I will probably pledge a lot more.
Ryan Smith 9 minutes ago
Anyone else notice that it looks like the Muster book is going to get a lot of the background information that was pulled from the main rulebook in the interest of getting it done?
With the next few replies:
Spoiler:
Creator Mierce Miniatures 8 minutes ago
@Ryan - you've lost me. Same size? What do you mean?
Ryan Smith 6 minutes ago
@Mierce: Height/width. When I put them next to each other on my bookshelf, I want them to look like they belong together!
Creator Mierce Miniatures 5 minutes ago
@Ryan - Oh, I see! Yes, not a problem mate - that is exactly what we were going to do.
Is that original comment true? Which would mean content that would have gone in the main rulebook is being pushed out to the next book?
Don't want to go too far down that route without confirmation one way or the other, so wanted to ask... Mierce replied but didn't address that point, so I'm hoping that commentor is just mistaken. Some clarification would be great!
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Joyboozer wrote: Wait, what?
The background was the main draw of the book, now it's been transferred to another release?
Well **** me, the main book is useless to me now. Mierce has really let me down here, very unhappy with them for once.
And nowt for me in this KS again, forced to buy infantry, not interested. That's whatever though. But chopped down art / fluff in the main book? Now it's just rules and numbers? **** me.
Edit/ irritated outburst. I really will be a bit annoyed though if this turns out to be true.
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The rulebook is still going to be a slightly less than 300 page book.
I don't think they've really shrunk it down from the initially promised page count. It's just that they've found that 300 pages, once you take out the space needed for the actual rules and divide the remainder by the number of factions, you don't actually have that much room per faction and boy oh boy, does Rob like to delve into these things at times.
There will be more background to each kindred in the Savage Hordes book.
Can you be more specific?
I've been waiting for the background for all the current stuff so I can decide what I want and go full on mierce, im more interested in it than rules.
There’s a difference between having a hobby and being a narcissist.
Currently the rulebook is at the graphic designer's, and we hope to get it to the printers sometime in October.
Ah, that is excellent (from the comments)
Was the Érainn host unlocked at £6K, or an artbook? Having a little trouble following that from the comments.
Also a few folks unhappy with the discussion about background here in the KS comments... the above post from Mierce is somewhat brief so not totally sure what to make of it, but if it's got as much background in it as originally intended, that's great! Apparently including more background versus going ahead and getting it out was discussed on the comments page of another Kickstarter, and it was decided to go with getting it out faster.
Comments copied here for ease of reference:
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Ryan Smith about 4 hours ago
Darklands: First Edition lists the rule book as "200+ pages." What page count did the final book end at? The merged edition I was working with was more than 300 pages, but I haven't checked the final size.
The content of the book was never explicitly described during the First Edition Kickstarter more than "200+ pages" or "the hardback version of the Darklands Rules". I know you discussed with us on the FE2 comments pages getting it out versus writing a ton of background, and the overwhelming consensus was to get it out there.
Can't believe there are people out there who want to complain about that call.
Creator Mierce Miniatures about 4 hours ago
@Ryan - some people will complain about anything... I don't know the exact size yet, we're still finalising designs and so forth, but it's likely to be less than 300 pages.
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The quickstart rules, which were nothing but rules and the odd piece of art here and there, clocked in at 84 half sized pages with not that large of font.
I'd imagine that at 200+ pages we'll be seeing a bit more than just the rules.
Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!
RiTides wrote: Was the Érainn host unlocked at £6K, or an artbook? Having a little trouble following that from the comments.
The only thing we got at £6K, was that picture of the Fir Bholg I posted up earlier. The Jutes are unlocked at 10k, and the Albainn at 20k. Based on what Mierce was saying, I would guess the Erain couldn't be unlocked until at least 30k, but that's just a guess.
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Ryan Smith 9 minutes ago Anyone else notice that it looks like the Muster book is going to get a lot of the background information that was pulled from the main rulebook in the interest of getting it done?
With the next few replies:
Spoiler:
Creator Mierce Miniatures 8 minutes ago @Ryan - you've lost me. Same size? What do you mean?
Ryan Smith 6 minutes ago @Mierce: Height/width. When I put them next to each other on my bookshelf, I want them to look like they belong together!
Creator Mierce Miniatures 5 minutes ago @Ryan - Oh, I see! Yes, not a problem mate - that is exactly what we were going to do.
Is that original comment true? Which would mean content that would have gone in the main rulebook is being pushed out to the next book?
Don't want to go too far down that route without confirmation one way or the other, so wanted to ask... Mierce replied but didn't address that point, so I'm hoping that commentor is just mistaken. Some clarification would be great!
Lots of people (especially here on Dakka) moaned that the rule book was taking too long, and they would not be backing more KS until it was out,
Rob is the one writing it all producing a lot of new background together with all the normal company admin, playtesting the new rules and units etc would have taken too long so the rule book will be just that, rules with minimal amounts of other content (probably the stuff that's already around on the website)
not my preferred choice, but very clearly the one of the majority of backers who expressed an opinion here and in the various KS comments
so it looks like a bunch of the new 'world building' stuff is now going to turn up in the muster book
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Ryan Smith 9 minutes ago
Anyone else notice that it looks like the Muster book is going to get a lot of the background information that was pulled from the main rulebook in the interest of getting it done?
With the next few replies:
Spoiler:
Creator Mierce Miniatures 8 minutes ago
@Ryan - you've lost me. Same size? What do you mean?
Ryan Smith 6 minutes ago
@Mierce: Height/width. When I put them next to each other on my bookshelf, I want them to look like they belong together!
Creator Mierce Miniatures 5 minutes ago
@Ryan - Oh, I see! Yes, not a problem mate - that is exactly what we were going to do.
Is that original comment true? Which would mean content that would have gone in the main rulebook is being pushed out to the next book?
Don't want to go too far down that route without confirmation one way or the other, so wanted to ask... Mierce replied but didn't address that point, so I'm hoping that commentor is just mistaken. Some clarification would be great!
Lots of people (especially here on Dakka) moaned that the rule book was taking too long, and they would not be backing more KS until it was out,
Rob is the one writing it all producing a lot of new background together with all the normal company admin, playtesting the new rules and units etc would have taken too long so the rule book will be just that, rules with minimal amounts of other content (probably the stuff that's already around on the website)
not my preferred choice, but very clearly the one of the majority of backers who expressed an opinion here and in the various KS comments
so it looks like a bunch of the new 'world building' stuff is now going to turn up in the muster book
Meh. We're all a bunch of moaners here on Dakka, see that sentiment expressed sometimes in the KS comments. We're also the ones backing all these projects though, six so far for me, I know others here buy more. Whatever, I don't think I've moaned all that much, never had cause to tbh, the Mierce KS have been 90% good / excellent. This is the first real gripe I have though. I don't really care about waiting, but now instead of waiting to read about the infernal schemes of the immortal emperor of Byzantine or enjoy some nice colour art I'm waiting for a text of hit tables and such. Absolute dead weight to me. Ho hum
Yeah, I guess I thought folks were wanting the book to be released... but not at the expense of content. That's like having two bad choices... and you have to then pay to get that content in the second book. As much as I thought they needed to prioritize the rules, stripping background out wasn't what I had in mind, but rather just putting a hold on other things to get it all done.
(although I know many kindreds don't have a lot of models yet). Bring them to AdeptiCon next year!
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