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The only thing I can see is that you dont get to take allies. But da boyz are green and tough and dont need no no help from da spiky oomies or da pointy ears. But seriously.. if your not taking allies.. is there any reason to NOT take the horde detachment?

Since the Ork codex replaced the seize objective 11-16 with Ork special objectives, objective secured is less important. If you are running a mechanized Orks you may want normal CAD. If your looking to a sluggy Foot Horde, the Ork detachment is a pretty good boost.

And I see nothing preventing Allies with the ork detachment.

If you take the Ork Horde Detachment instead of the normal one, then you don't get Objective Secured, which means that you could have an objective pulled out from under you

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
If you take the Ork Horde Detachment instead of the normal one, then you don't get Objective Secured, which means that you could have an objective pulled out from under you

I fail to see an opponent moving within 6" of the orks as a bad thing most of the time. Yes, the opponent can jump in with an objective secured unit and score, but then it's facing exactly what the orks want, melee. You're OS unit is likely dead, and the orks have the objective back.

-Matt

 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
The only thing I can see is that you dont get to take allies. But da boyz are green and tough and dont need no no help from da spiky oomies or da pointy ears. But seriously.. if your not taking allies.. is there any reason to NOT take the horde detachment?

Nothing prevents you from taking an Allied Detachment in addition to your Ork Warband Detachment.

You lose Objective Secured and can only reroll your Warlord trait if you pick those from the codex (which is relevant, since one of the BRB tables is almost strictly better). You gain the ability to field three HQs with only three troops (you can already field four HQs and four troops). IMO the detachment has a niche role, for games where you can't afford the fourth troops choice, or when you are limited to one detachment by tournament or campaign rules.

So, it's not really a no-brainer to take it, but a nice option to have.

I see. Thanks for the replies. It seems I need to read my brb and codex a little more. So the trade off is more HQ and troop potential units and lose the objective secured special rule....


One unrelated question... where in the codex does it state the points cost for the waaagh banner? I can't find it anywhere. I fething hate this new codex layout.


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 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
If you take the Ork Horde Detachment instead of the normal one, then you don't get Objective Secured, which means that you could have an objective pulled out from under you

I fail to see an opponent moving within 6" of the orks as a bad thing most of the time. Yes, the opponent can jump in with an objective secured unit and score, but then it's facing exactly what the orks want, melee. You're OS unit is likely dead, and the orks have the objective back.

-Matt

Great point! I can see it being a problem. With a unit moving in right at the last second..like the last movement phase of the game..in which case the work couldn't get stuck in

The Wargear section at the beginning, before all your units.

You don't need Objective Secured when you have enough Boyz to physically block movement within 3" of objectives.

Waaaghpower wrote:
The Wargear section at the beginning, before all your units.

On page 53? I beg to differ but if you could specify its location. Because I haven't been able to find the answer to this question for about 2 days..

I gotta say I hate the layout of this new book. It's so confusing. However, yes you pretty much need to take the horde, because you are going to need as many. HQs as you can fit, due to Orks not getting the FOC switcheroos that the new codexes were getting.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
You don't need Objective Secured when you have enough Boyz to physically block movement within 3" of objectives.

Objective secured is for taking away your opponent's objectives, not for holding your own. Space Marines can block movement withing 3" of an objective by deploying five marines at max coherency, so that's not exactly special. Also, tank shock.

Waaaagh! Banner is a nob specific upgrade. Page 66.

2 melta guns is the cost. Da lucky stikk is only 5p more and way better Id say.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Waaaagh! Banner is a nob specific upgrade. Page 66.

2 melta guns is the cost. Da lucky stikk is only 5p more and way better Id say.

I whole heartedly agree about tha lucky stikk.. but does this mean a Warboss cant take a Waagh!! banner?

Nope, only the lucky stikk.

Waaagh banner is only for a Nob unit.

Objective secured will almost never actually make a difference. Usually you either clean up the unit that was holding the objective, or they fled because they lost combat. Or you got shot off the board before assault phase.

Ork FOC also gives units above 10 hammer of wrath if the charge result is 10 or more before modifiers, whether they moved 10 or not doesnt matter. Yes i know thats really only going to be S3 attacks but its free damage nontheless. I had a 30man boy blob slam into a marine biker unit that failed their own charge and wiped out 2 bikers with HoW alone (about 10 hits i believe i caused). Considering i paid nothing for the damage that killed those marines, thats quite a feat.

Only time i can ever see Objective Secured being viable is for dedicated transports that can tankshock, which would be Trukks for us, because they can force units away from an objective through tankshock. My tau do this with Devilfish quite a bit.
Difference here though is Devilfish are pretty damn durable atm, while trukks are made of paper lol.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Objective secured will almost never actually make a difference. Usually you either clean up the unit that was holding the objective, or they fled because they lost combat. Or you got shot off the board before assault phase.

Ork FOC also gives units above 10 hammer of wrath if the charge result is 10 or more before modifiers, whether they moved 10 or not doesnt matter. Yes i know thats really only going to be S3 attacks but its free damage nontheless. I had a 30man boy blob slam into a marine biker unit that failed their own charge and wiped out 2 bikers with HoW alone (about 10 hits i believe i caused). Considering i paid nothing for the damage that killed those marines, thats quite a feat.

Only time i can ever see Objective Secured being viable is for dedicated transports that can tankshock, which would be Trukks for us, because they can force units away from an objective through tankshock. My tau do this with Devilfish quite a bit.
Difference here though is Devilfish are pretty damn durable atm, while trukks are made of paper lol.

This is an excellent point! orks are a sledgehammer... and its either we smash our opponent in the teeth..or the handle snaps and things get wonky. HoW was one of the things that made me think.."damn why NOT take an ork detachment" even though i forgot to add that in my original post. Yeah its str3.. but its FREE damage at Ini 10! and the AUTO HIT.. not sure if you made sure to use of that fact when you atacked those bikes!

Oh i did. ~10 boys in base contact (thanks to only being about 7" away when he failed his charge i was able to wrap the gak out of him) equals ~10 auto hits. They needed 6s to wound, but again its free damage.
I caused 4 wounds, i only expected 1 to fall to that many wounds but managed to get 2. He only had 4 bikes remaining at Init4, which dramatically helped me since they had 2attacks each base and 2 CCW.
Only way i WONT take the ork foc is if i am doing a walker list, in which case i only have minimal troops. I need the 6 heavies in this case, and if i bring 6 troops i will not have the points left over to bring the walkers and the kff meks i need.
But, in this case, what are the odds any of my 4 20man boyz squads will be getting that HOW anyway? Most likely i'll lose half of them by the time they find something to attack unless i get a lot of nice 5+ saves passed.