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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/08 01:13:06
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Grovelin' Grot
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I've never heard anything about who or what Khorne kills (other than the obvious).
Since he's the god of war and murder, does he have a sense of honor, and seeing how his opposite is slaanesh (or tzeench), does he kill only the worthy?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/08 03:10:17
Subject: Re:Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Khorne cares not from whom the blood is spilled so long as it is spilled.
that said some of his followers may have their own version of honor
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/08 03:11:37
Subject: Re:Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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Not Sure but old school Khorne was really pissy about his champions fighting against the weaklings ONLY. Meaning If a Berzerker Champion offers him truckloads of grot skulls he killed in single combat, but not a single Nob's/Warboss' skull, that champion would have his a$$ torn apart by flesh hounds in record time... But Khorne today is about quantity, NOT quality... Just kill anything you see, as Khorne wants blood to flow, but isn't picky on who...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/08 03:12:08
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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There was apparently a point in time in the fluff's evolution where such a thing was looked down upon.
Now though, while the tougher your felled opponent is the better, you can apparently sacrifice a pool full of toddlers and Khorne will be pleased.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/09 02:53:58
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Blood for the Blood God, Skulls for the Skull Throne.
"Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, so long as people are killing and dying in his name!" - Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/09 07:10:36
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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BlaxicanX wrote:There was apparently a point in time in the fluff's evolution where such a thing was looked down upon.
Now though, while the tougher your felled opponent is the better, you can apparently sacrifice a pool full of toddlers and Khorne will be pleased.
It's more along the lines of ( imo) that if you intentionally prey on the weak, Khorne will get angry(er) at you for being a wuss. He will probably get you killed in the bloodiest way possible rather quickly.
True warriors like Kharn get so much more from Khorne because he never shirks from a challenge, and will rush to the toughest, bloodiest fights in the battlefield.
It's a combination of quantity and quality.
The lord of skulls has no problem with you killing babies if there is nothing worth a damn left to kill, but he expects you to get off your ass and fight when something more killy comes along.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/11 17:11:26
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Selym wrote: BlaxicanX wrote:There was apparently a point in time in the fluff's evolution where such a thing was looked down upon. Now though, while the tougher your felled opponent is the better, you can apparently sacrifice a pool full of toddlers and Khorne will be pleased.
It's more along the lines of ( imo) that if you intentionally prey on the weak, Khorne will get angry(er) at you for being a wuss. He will probably get you killed in the bloodiest way possible rather quickly. True warriors like Kharn get so much more from Khorne because he never shirks from a challenge, and will rush to the toughest, bloodiest fights in the battlefield. It's a combination of quantity and quality. The lord of skulls has no problem with you killing babies if there is nothing worth a damn left to kill, but he expects you to get off your ass and fight when something more killy comes along. This pretty much is contradicted by the "Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, just that it does" policy in place as of right now in the lore. Khorne may not elevate you to a status of Champion or Daemonhood for slaughtering a nursery of newborns in his name, but he will accept their skulls just the same
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/11 17:57:09
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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AWesker1976 wrote: Selym wrote: BlaxicanX wrote:There was apparently a point in time in the fluff's evolution where such a thing was looked down upon.
Now though, while the tougher your felled opponent is the better, you can apparently sacrifice a pool full of toddlers and Khorne will be pleased.
It's more along the lines of ( imo) that if you intentionally prey on the weak, Khorne will get angry(er) at you for being a wuss. He will probably get you killed in the bloodiest way possible rather quickly.
True warriors like Kharn get so much more from Khorne because he never shirks from a challenge, and will rush to the toughest, bloodiest fights in the battlefield.
It's a combination of quantity and quality.
The lord of skulls has no problem with you killing babies if there is nothing worth a damn left to kill, but he expects you to get off your ass and fight when something more killy comes along.
This pretty much is contradicted by the "Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, just that it does" policy in place as of right now in the lore.
Khorne may not elevate you to a status of Champion or Daemonhood for slaughtering a nursery of newborns in his name, but he will accept their skulls just the same
Which is what I agreed with, ish. You can bleed anything. Warrior's blood is preferred though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/11 18:08:41
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Selym wrote: AWesker1976 wrote: Selym wrote: BlaxicanX wrote:There was apparently a point in time in the fluff's evolution where such a thing was looked down upon.
Now though, while the tougher your felled opponent is the better, you can apparently sacrifice a pool full of toddlers and Khorne will be pleased.
It's more along the lines of ( imo) that if you intentionally prey on the weak, Khorne will get angry(er) at you for being a wuss. He will probably get you killed in the bloodiest way possible rather quickly.
True warriors like Kharn get so much more from Khorne because he never shirks from a challenge, and will rush to the toughest, bloodiest fights in the battlefield.
It's a combination of quantity and quality.
The lord of skulls has no problem with you killing babies if there is nothing worth a damn left to kill, but he expects you to get off your ass and fight when something more killy comes along.
This pretty much is contradicted by the "Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, just that it does" policy in place as of right now in the lore.
Khorne may not elevate you to a status of Champion or Daemonhood for slaughtering a nursery of newborns in his name, but he will accept their skulls just the same
Which is what I agreed with, ish. You can bleed anything. Warrior's blood is preferred though.
My point was: Khorne doesn't "prefer" one skull over another. He doesn't care if you eradicate a Space Marine Chapter or burn a Hive World full of quadriplegics. He just wants you to kill. Period.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/13 16:44:01
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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AWesker1976 wrote: Selym wrote: AWesker1976 wrote: Selym wrote: BlaxicanX wrote:There was apparently a point in time in the fluff's evolution where such a thing was looked down upon.
Now though, while the tougher your felled opponent is the better, you can apparently sacrifice a pool full of toddlers and Khorne will be pleased.
It's more along the lines of ( imo) that if you intentionally prey on the weak, Khorne will get angry(er) at you for being a wuss. He will probably get you killed in the bloodiest way possible rather quickly.
True warriors like Kharn get so much more from Khorne because he never shirks from a challenge, and will rush to the toughest, bloodiest fights in the battlefield.
It's a combination of quantity and quality.
The lord of skulls has no problem with you killing babies if there is nothing worth a damn left to kill, but he expects you to get off your ass and fight when something more killy comes along.
This pretty much is contradicted by the "Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, just that it does" policy in place as of right now in the lore.
Khorne may not elevate you to a status of Champion or Daemonhood for slaughtering a nursery of newborns in his name, but he will accept their skulls just the same
Which is what I agreed with, ish. You can bleed anything. Warrior's blood is preferred though.
My point was: Khorne doesn't "prefer" one skull over another. He doesn't care if you eradicate a Space Marine Chapter or burn a Hive World full of quadriplegics. He just wants you to kill. Period.
Part of the question though, is "what is Khorne?"
I bring this up as maybe we will find a middleground on what Khorne actually wants.
Khorne is:
-War
-Killing
-Bloodshed
-Combatitive power
-Strength of will
-Domination
-Hate/Rage/Wrath
-Martial Honour/Pride
Khorne is not:
-Cowardice
-Weakness
-Subservience
-Forgiving
It would make sense then, if Khorne is that list, that the sacrifice of more powerful warriors would feed him more, as the act emphasizes his traits more than easy killings.
It's not that he objects to what bleeds, it's just that he is not just the god of Blood (despite GW's recent Fladerisation of all 40k entities).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/13 17:05:03
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Dakka Veteran
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Psienesis wrote:"Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, so long as people are killing and dying in his name!" - Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness.
From hazy memory - so correct me if I am wrong - I am fairly certain that that particular line does not mean Khorne is a-okay with killing toddlers. He was the god of war, and of martial honour, and as such placed much emphasis on fighting worthy opponents. What that quote refers to is that Khorne does not care which side in a conflict wins - whether it be his followers or those they fight. So long as war is waged, and you are killing worthy opponents, Khorne does not care whose side they are on. Just look at his favorite, Khârn.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/13 17:17:02
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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AWesker1976 wrote: Selym wrote: BlaxicanX wrote:There was apparently a point in time in the fluff's evolution where such a thing was looked down upon.
Now though, while the tougher your felled opponent is the better, you can apparently sacrifice a pool full of toddlers and Khorne will be pleased.
It's more along the lines of ( imo) that if you intentionally prey on the weak, Khorne will get angry(er) at you for being a wuss. He will probably get you killed in the bloodiest way possible rather quickly.
True warriors like Kharn get so much more from Khorne because he never shirks from a challenge, and will rush to the toughest, bloodiest fights in the battlefield.
It's a combination of quantity and quality.
The lord of skulls has no problem with you killing babies if there is nothing worth a damn left to kill, but he expects you to get off your ass and fight when something more killy comes along.
This pretty much is contradicted by the "Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, just that it does" policy in place as of right now in the lore.
Khorne may not elevate you to a status of Champion or Daemonhood for slaughtering a nursery of newborns in his name, but he will accept their skulls just the same
Actually considering the quote, he doesn't care if you murder things indiscriminately (Thus the blood flow), but if you offer up skulls they better be actual good skulls because you are basically offering the equivalent of piss instead of wine to him instead. He doesn't care where the blood flows, but skulls are a bit more special to him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/13 17:45:53
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Humorless Arbite
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Tbh I preferred the old-khorne fluff where he wanted good fights and the blood and skulls of champions, and would also punish minions/servants/daemons of his own who slaughtered the helpless or weak.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/13 18:13:50
Subject: Re:Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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The "He does not care from whence the blood flows" can be interpreted in multiple ways. I think it means that he does not care from which side the blood flows, whether it is the enemy or his own followers that bleed. That is something that has been consistently going on in the fluff, with Kharn the Betrayer being one of his greatest champions and his famous Skull Throne being made of the skulls of his enemies as well as those of his followers.
Khorne has always been described as valueing martial prowess and challenge. Khorne won't make you one of his champions for slaughtering a hospital full of defenseless patients, but he will make you a champion for defeating the greatest warrior on your world in a duel.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/13 18:24:30
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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Otto Weston wrote:Tbh I preferred the old-khorne fluff where he wanted good fights and the blood and skulls of champions, and would also punish minions/servants/daemons of his own who slaughtered the helpless or weak.
The original quote "He cares not from where the blood flows" comes from the original rogue trader chaos books.
He's always been this sort.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/13 20:13:28
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Strider
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ZebioLizard2 wrote: Otto Weston wrote:Tbh I preferred the old-khorne fluff where he wanted good fights and the blood and skulls of champions, and would also punish minions/servants/daemons of his own who slaughtered the helpless or weak.
The original quote "He cares not from where the blood flows" comes from the original rogue trader chaos books.
He's always been this sort.
I have no evidence to point to other than hearing stories of how Khorne would send his flesh hounds to tear you to pieces if you invoked his name to prey upon the sickly or the weak. Those days are over now tho, just kill anything that breathes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/13 20:34:13
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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It doesn't matter from where the blood flows; Only that it does. Khorne cares not about honor, only about carnage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/13 20:55:40
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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Melissia wrote:It doesn't matter from where the blood flows;
Only that it does.
Khorne cares not about honor, only about carnage.
Pretty much this, on an individual basis you may find a Khornate Champion who doesn't kill non-combatants but Khorne doesn't care just that you spill blood for him
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/13 21:01:01
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Does it have blood?
Does it have a skull?
If you answered yes to either of these questions, you should be killing it for Khorne
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/13 23:52:40
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Melissia wrote:It doesn't matter from where the blood flows;
Only that it does.
Khorne cares not about honor, only about carnage.
Spoken like a true unbeliever.
Have you time to hear about our Lord and Saviour, Horus the Warmaster? He died to allow your sins, you know.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 10:26:44
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Strider
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Selym wrote: Melissia wrote:It doesn't matter from where the blood flows;
Only that it does.
Khorne cares not about honor, only about carnage.
Spoken like a true unbeliever.
Have you time to hear about our Lord and Saviour, Horus the Warmaster? He died to allow your sins, you know.
What does Horus have to do with Khorne?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 10:33:07
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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AWesker1976 wrote: Selym wrote: Melissia wrote:It doesn't matter from where the blood flows;
Only that it does.
Khorne cares not about honor, only about carnage.
Spoken like a true unbeliever.
Have you time to hear about our Lord and Saviour, Horus the Warmaster? He died to allow your sins, you know.
What does Horus have to do with Khorne?
I was making a joke.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 11:49:03
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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After listening Chosen of Khorn, the only type of persons Khorn doesn't like to kill are those who wants to die. He his the god of murder not the god of assisted suicide.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 12:39:57
Subject: Re:Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Been Around the Block
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Well, he's all about proving you're the best warrior around by killing everything and anything you can, right? So that doesn't mean he objects to the slaughter of masses of weaker creatures , far from it (the weak are there to be slaughtered by the strong), but if that's all you're doing then he'd view you as a coward and a weakling. Thus, you would need to be slain by a better warrior.
It's about quantity and quality of the slaying, with quality probably preferred (within reason).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 12:56:18
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Terrifying Rhinox Rider
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AWesker1976 wrote: ZebioLizard2 wrote: Otto Weston wrote:Tbh I preferred the old-khorne fluff where he wanted good fights and the blood and skulls of champions, and would also punish minions/servants/daemons of his own who slaughtered the helpless or weak.
The original quote "He cares not from where the blood flows" comes from the original rogue trader chaos books.
He's always been this sort.
I have no evidence to point to other than hearing stories of how Khorne would send his flesh hounds to tear you to pieces if you invoked his name to prey upon the sickly or the weak. Those days are over now tho, just kill anything that breathes.
Killing children turns their parents from refugees into combatants. If you start with the best warriors, you just decrease the likelihood that the survivors will stay alive and try to kill you - i.e. babies can't fight and less skilled fighters might surrender instead of terming to kill you back. The important part of Khorne is perpetuating the bloodshed as long as possible.
The reason for "martial honor" is to provide a moral framework for violence. If you have an honorable warrior caste, then kids can dream of growing up to be a fighter instead if an engineer or fire fighter. If you have a complex honor code, then the military might be more likely to fight no matter what, instead of stressing preservation of life.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 13:19:53
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I've been under the impression that they can and do, but are as likely to be rewarded by Khorne as a guy who spreads a cold would be rewarded by Nurgle or someone who only plays practical jokes would be rewarded by Tzeentch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 13:25:58
Subject: Do followers/ daemons of khorne slay innocent or the weak?
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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pelicaniforce wrote: AWesker1976 wrote: ZebioLizard2 wrote: Otto Weston wrote:Tbh I preferred the old-khorne fluff where he wanted good fights and the blood and skulls of champions, and would also punish minions/servants/daemons of his own who slaughtered the helpless or weak.
The original quote "He cares not from where the blood flows" comes from the original rogue trader chaos books.
He's always been this sort.
I have no evidence to point to other than hearing stories of how Khorne would send his flesh hounds to tear you to pieces if you invoked his name to prey upon the sickly or the weak. Those days are over now tho, just kill anything that breathes.
Killing children turns their parents from refugees into combatants. If you start with the best warriors, you just decrease the likelihood that the survivors will stay alive and try to kill you - i.e. babies can't fight and less skilled fighters might surrender instead of terming to kill you back. The important part of Khorne is perpetuating the bloodshed as long as possible.
The reason for "martial honor" is to provide a moral framework for violence. If you have an honorable warrior caste, then kids can dream of growing up to be a fighter instead if an engineer or fire fighter. If you have a complex honor code, then the military might be more likely to fight no matter what, instead of stressing preservation of life.
Considering most Khorne world's usually have a more gladiator style combat system, it's less honorable and more bloodthirst, instill hatred and cause them to want to murder constantly.
Making a sport of death and dying in an arena of bloodshed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 17:57:26
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Strider
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The Chaos Codex states that Khorne Berzerkers are ritualistically lobotomized to feel nothing but the desire to kill. A few extra mentions in their codex entry : Berzerkers have been known to decapitate fallen berzerkers to offer their skulls to Khorne They delight in death so much they will kill their own if no other enemy is around. They have been known to kill themselves for Khorne. Never once have I read anything about Khorne Berzerkers being punished for any of their kills nor have I found any honor in any of their deeds. Unless someone can point me to some relevant text that is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 18:04:20
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Hallowed Canoness
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Tzeentch would totally support a practical joker.
Heck, that's pretty much what Horrors amount to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/14 18:31:52
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Stitch Counter
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I prefer the notion of Khorne being in some way honorable - his champions killing those who can fight back rather than the indiscriminate killing we see in 40K.
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