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£85 for the Knight, £70 for the Stompa.



I really dont get it.

The Imperial Knight is also much costlier than the Riptide, and also more expensive than the Wraithknight.

It can't be the amount of plastic because clearly the stompa kit contains heaps more.

Did GW policy of pricing based on "cool toys everyone will buy" really go this low?

Because Imperial Factions are the best selling of all the 40k armies and Imperial Knights go hand in hand with them is my guess. Could get more of a profit from them.

I was shocked too. I won an ork stompa from an online store last week and the box was huge and heavy. Like bigger than any GW box I thought existed for one model haha. Then I saw the price and it was odd because it seems like it would be pretty expensive compared to other choices out there.

So yes i think the determined popularity of a model determines its price. Which is why I think its odd the Guardians didnt get the Dire Avenger treatment.

because reasons...

that said, I kinda want a stompa

It's called maximizing profits, something every company does. Imperial faction sells more than other factions so they charge more. Orks sell less so they offer it slightly cheaper to encourage more sales.

What is wrong with that?

Plus the cost of the material is not what drives the price. It is a host of other factors mostly artwork and design. We have no idea what it cost to design the respective models. Maybe they got theOrk Stompa artist for cheaper.

my guess would be the stompa is both old, and not in high demand. baaasicly it's not that the knight is super expensive, but that the stompa is kind of cheap (for modern GW prices)

It is silly. But really it is more that they have not raised the price on the stompa than anything else.

The knights is a much more complicated model though.

The Knight is a new set, that was set up for production under recent market conditions, as opposed to something set up for production five years ago.

If you think plastic mini production is cheaper than the older casting methods, you've been misinformed. The manufacture is cheaper, but the production process itself is far more complex even before you get to the point of making a die for injection moulding (as opposed to a rubber mould for spin-casting).

Also, the Stompa is more expensive than the Knight.

 Arctik_Firangi wrote:

Also, the Stompa is more expensive than the Knight.

Points wise it is but money wise it is not.

The Baneblade is also cheaper buy a bit, which is strange.

I'd also reason the Knight is more expensive because from what I've gathered, the Knight is superior to the Stompa as well in terms of combat capability, though, I could be mistaken on that.

The Imperial Knight is a much better looking kit and it has a shed load of iconography and insignia. The stompa kit is bigger but it's a lot blander. Personally I think they're both priced appropriately (within the greater context of gw prices as a whole).

 Billagio wrote:

 Arctik_Firangi wrote:

Also, the Stompa is more expensive than the Knight.

Points wise it is but money wise it is not.

The Baneblade is also cheaper buy a bit, which is strange.

Ah, I had a look at the US site and I see that it your case, that's true. It's cheaper, and that makes sense to me for the reasons I mentioned above. The US has a production facility so that may be a factor - Australia is a bastard to export to. It takes twice as long to ship to Perth as it does to New Zealand.

Sir Arun wrote:£85 for the Knight, £70 for the Stompa.

Spoiler:

I really dont get it.

GW used to do annual price adjustments where everything got increased in price. They stopped doing that in favour of raising the prices on new kits and letting it all average out in the end. New releases tend to sell a bunch at first and then drop down in volume, so concentrating the price hikes on the new models means GW gets more money and everyone who's not buying the latest release doesn't feel like they're getting a price hike for no good reason.

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the level of detail on the stompa kit is not very good, even the gorkanaut is close to the same cost. The knight has a lot of detail and optional bits, whereas the stompa does not.

Basically, because it's a giant Space Marine, and they know that enough people will want a Knight regardless of the cost that they put the price as high as they dared.

Stompa is an old sculpt / kit. Imperial Knight is a new sculpt / kit at new prices.

 Arctik_Firangi wrote:

 Billagio wrote:

 Arctik_Firangi wrote:

Also, the Stompa is more expensive than the Knight.

Points wise it is but money wise it is not.

The Baneblade is also cheaper buy a bit, which is strange.

Ah, I had a look at the US site and I see that it your case, that's true. It's cheaper, and that makes sense to me for the reasons I mentioned above. The US has a production facility so that may be a factor - Australia is a bastard to export to. It takes twice as long to ship to Perth as it does to New Zealand.

Ah yeah ive heard that the prices in AU are really a ton higher. Strange that the stompa is more than the knight for you though. The price difference between the knight and the stompa in the US is enough to basically buy a box of nobs or something with. (About 30 bucks)

blaktoof wrote:
the level of detail on the stompa kit is not very good, even the gorkanaut is close to the same cost. The knight has a lot of detail and optional bits, whereas the stompa does not.

you sure about that? I see plenty of detail on the stompa

 Sir Arun wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
the level of detail on the stompa kit is not very good, even the gorkanaut is close to the same cost. The knight has a lot of detail and optional bits, whereas the stompa does not.

you sure about that? I see plenty of detail on the stompa

The Stompa has a good bit of detail, but a lot of it's "built-in." Which is just fine to me, but there's less variation you can do on a Stompa right out of the box. (Ork players, of course, do plenty of modification anyway.)

The Knight's price was astounding to me. I remember when the Baneblade came out in 2007, it was $90 (~$103 in 2014 dollars accounting for Inflation). The Baneblade is now $140 and includes many variants. The Knight is half its size and fewer points, and is $140.

Had Knights been $90, I'd have spent $180 and bought two. At $140, I've bought zero.

Melevolence wrote:
I'd also reason the Knight is more expensive because from what I've gathered, the Knight is superior to the Stompa as well in terms of combat capability, though, I could be mistaken on that.

I'm going to have to go with YES, you are mistaken. I'll be testing it soon enough on the battlefield, but it goes like this:

Knight ranged weapons:
Heavy stubber (a few S4 shots at range)
Double-shot battlecannon (S8 AP3 Ordnance Large Blast) or 36" Large Blast S9 AP1 melta cannon

Stompa ranged weapons:
Three big shootas plus twin-linked big shoota (S5 ranged shots)
Deff kannon (72", S10 AP1 Primary Weapon Massive Blast)
Skorcha (heavy flamer)
Supa-gatler (2D6 S7 AP3 shots, three times per turn at different targets, runs out on roll of double)
3 to 5 supa-rokkits (infinite range, S8 AP3 Large Blast)

So a Stompa can ruin a tank squadron's day, a few squads of Marines, *and* pepper shots out there every turn. The Knight can hammer one target and pepper out some shots.

In combat, the Stompa has +1 Attack, both have Strength D weapons, Stomp, all that goodness.

The Stompa has twice as many hull points. The Knight does have a 4+ invulnerable save it can direct in one facing.

Oh, but wait, there's more! The Stompa has a Transport capacity of 20. So you can stick a Big Mek with KFF in him to give him a 5+ or 4+ inv. save versus all shooting regardless of direction. You can also load it with Meks for repair rolls, as well as shooty gitz to fire out of the fire points. And with Grot Riggers, it will have It Will Not Die.

Of course, the Stompa costs over twice as much as a Knight, too. But if a Stompa unloaded its weapons on a Knight, it'd likely take out the Knight in one turn. Not so much the other way around.

That said... the Knight is still a disgustingly killy piece of machinery. Especially if you use it aggressively, as it should be used. It's hard to get people to let me use mine these days. (I stopped trying to get them to let me use a Stompa, even though it's now in my codex.)

People are having that much of a hard time with Knights?

I mean, they're not pushovers, but I'd imagine if you can deal with a couple Soul Grinders, you can deal with a Knight even easier.

I've yet to see them dominate anything to the point where people are hesitant to play against them, certainly not like some of the other stuff we have in the game at this point

The stompa is dead killy, as it should be, but I prefer the knights because you can make a whole army of 'em.

I don't know why there's such a huge price difference between them. I guess it has to do with the level of detail?

 Arctik_Firangi wrote:
The US has a production facility so that may be a factor -

Use to have a production facility. Not anymore.

I believe a lot of stuff is made in China now. Not even in Notingham. So buying GW is not supporting locally no more. Even the Brits get their stuff from China now. Anyone know where the new minis are made? Nottingham or China?

 Vaktathi wrote:
People are having that much of a hard time with Knights?

I mean, they're not pushovers, but I'd imagine if you can deal with a couple Soul Grinders, you can deal with a Knight even easier.

I've yet to see them dominate anything to the point where people are hesitant to play against them, certainly not like some of the other stuff we have in the game at this point

I run a Knight Errant, stand it on the front line, and run it right at my opponent's army. Melta cannon can usually immediately get in a melta shot on a tank, and it can assault in the first or second turn. Either way, it's close enough that it's likely to go nuclear in the middle of my opponent's army if he kills it, so he either gets to let it run wild or tries to kill it and prays it doesn't do too much. In the one game my Knight actually got killed, it was by a bunch of stuff shooting at it, including a Land Raider Crusader and Immolator getting close enough to hit it with melta shots... and it promptly stumbled right between them before blowing up, taking out both of them and a bunch of surrounding models. Even in death, it has a reputation for earning more than its points worth, and it's a heck of a distraction.

 ErikSetzer wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
People are having that much of a hard time with Knights?

I mean, they're not pushovers, but I'd imagine if you can deal with a couple Soul Grinders, you can deal with a Knight even easier.

I've yet to see them dominate anything to the point where people are hesitant to play against them, certainly not like some of the other stuff we have in the game at this point

I run a Knight Errant, stand it on the front line, and run it right at my opponent's army. Melta cannon can usually immediately get in a melta shot on a tank, and it can assault in the first or second turn. Either way, it's close enough that it's likely to go nuclear in the middle of my opponent's army if he kills it, so he either gets to let it run wild or tries to kill it and prays it doesn't do too much. In the one game my Knight actually got killed, it was by a bunch of stuff shooting at it, including a Land Raider Crusader and Immolator getting close enough to hit it with melta shots... and it promptly stumbled right between them before blowing up, taking out both of them and a bunch of surrounding models. Even in death, it has a reputation for earning more than its points worth, and it's a heck of a distraction.

And this is why I love them. Although I should probably ask how you get yours to stumble toward the enemy and not away from them. Mine has a tendency to go away peacefully.

 Mumblez wrote:
And this is why I love them. Although I should probably ask how you get yours to stumble toward the enemy and not away from them. Mine has a tendency to go away peacefully.

The current leading theory is that he really, really hates that particular Land Raider Crusader (which he also blew up with a shot from his melta-cannon in another game).

Also, I think I project onto my dice sometimes. I have a scatter die I got from Q-Workshop, has an Orky face for the Hit sides and primitive looking arrows for the other facings, it's always had a special connection with me and gone where I wanted it to. (As opposed to this GW scatter die I tried on Saturday, which had my teleporting Weirdboy scatter just the wrong way twice in a row and end up going into Reserves...)

The model for the stompa is not as modular. Doesn't have any options other than more missiles and grot riggers.

Doesn't have a secondary loud out like the imperial knight either.

It's an older model?

Other than that I've got no insight.

As a Warmachine player, I have no problems whatsoever with the cost of a knight. Warmachine colossals/gargantuans are priced about the same, while knights are larger, plastic (which is a plus in my book), and more easily customizable.

 Nate668 wrote:
As a Warmachine player, I have no problems whatsoever with the cost of a knight. Warmachine colossals/gargantuans are priced about the same, while knights are larger, plastic (which is a plus in my book), and more easily customizable.

Blasphemy!