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I recently saw people whining and crying about the price of the storm claw box set in a Facebook group I frequent. Well I did the math and will present it here to show you that people will whine and cry until GW is sending everyone free models and covering the shipping themselves. Then people will still complain until the eavy metal team assembles and paints them to golden demon standards before shipping them to us for free.
Wolf guard terminators - $55
Grey hunters - $37
Krom - $20 (average character price)
Rule book - $30 (what they go for on ebay on average)
Nobz - $25
Killa kanz - $46
Gretchin - $16
Grukk - $20
Campaign book - $20 (est. Ebay price)
Total - $269

You're only saving $144 from what it would cost to buy everything separately from GW and ebay. Those GW bastards are only giving us 53.5% off retail! That's highway robbery! I thought it would be free! Etc etc

Perhaps this would have been better addressed to the people crying rather than other people? Perhaps they were in a place with regional pricing and therefore paying 50% more. Any chance of you linking to these complaints so we can see them for ourselves, since you want to discuss them here?

I did address it there but they're all space wolves players. I wanted to see what people who play other armies think.

Standard "I won't buy from GW no matter how good of a deal it is because they make a profit" comment:

"Just because it's cheaper than the component models doesn't mean it's a good value for money. GW make above 75% profit margin on their models. All of them are over priced. They keep raising prices because people keep paying for them. I have both Wolves and Orks and I'm not paying $125 for this set on principle. I've not bought anything in years, waiting for GW to learn better market strategy."

Not sure if he knows what "wallet rape" actually means:
"That's wallet rape. GW can kiss my ass. I'll wait for EBay."

Pointless post is pointless.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Pointless post is pointless.

+1

OP strikes me as an employee of GW thus far in their short history.

Toofast wrote:
Standard "I won't buy from GW no matter how good of a deal it is because they make a profit" comment:

When you disagree with the actions of a company, withholding money from them is a good way to force them to change. There's nothing unreasonable about this.

"Just because it's cheaper than the component models doesn't mean it's a good value for money.

This is true. Many consider GW products to be very overpriced. This bundle may be discounted and therefore less overpriced, but still overpriced.

GW make above 75% profit margin on their models. All of them are over priced.

GW products *are* overpriced. As to the profit margin, who knows.

They keep raising prices because people keep paying for them.

This is also true.

I have both Wolves and Orks and I'm not paying $125 for this set on principle. I've not bought anything in years, waiting for GW to learn better market strategy."

Nothing unreasonable about this at all. The product is still priced too high for them - when you compare the prices to what they used to be, they *are* significantly higher.

I think that, for GW, it's decent value especially if you get a full copy of the rules (NFI if they're cut down or not) and can use both armies. I can see why others don't think it's decent value still however if they only care about the models, and I can understand even more how they don't want to help GW be profitable given their current actions and their effect on the game and setting people enjoy.

You tell 'em OP.




Like, actually tell them, rather than bitch about it here.

This is a general discussion forum. I wanted to see if people here agreed that it is a bad value and I'm just crazy or if 53.5% off on useful models and a very useful rulebook is an unusually good deal from a company known for wallet rape. I believe this is one of the few instances recently where GW is actually giving us a deal. Many other box sets are the same price as if you bought everything separately which I think is ridiculous. I will be the first one to blast GW when they do stuff like that. However, I also believe we should give credit where credit is due, for example giving us $269 of useful stuff for $125.

Topic's been done to death in the boxed set thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/603731.page

Toofast wrote:
Then people will still complain until the eavy metal team assembles and paints them to golden demon standards before shipping them to us for free.

and then people would complain the models where pre-painted

I'm a Space Wolves player, I'm only unhappy about the pricing because...

a) Terrible regional pricing. It's $120 in the USA and $190 here. That's 52% more.

b) That it's limited edition and I'm not in a position currently to buy it. This is more of a personal thing that I'm not a big fan of limited run models in limited run sets. If it works for them, fine, but don't expect me to be overly happy about it.

It's worth mentioning that Discount Games Store is selling it for $95 iirc. If I was interested in the models as I was with DV I would have picked this up.

Well, this seems to be the general mood at the moment.

However, the new starter box will be on the positive side I guess.

End of the day the whole thing is about support. Should you choose to support your local GW because of the environment and official credit you gain staying loyal or bargain hunter style character where you scrape the net day and night looking for the same products at discount rate.

I would say both are types of supporters but as said in football supporter terms millions of supporters stay at home to watch the matches but only a handful go to watch the game live. Same with buying the official football shirts. Either official store or discount store.

Just my opinion. People see reason differently and they have the right to that opinion. End of the cheer on or complain we all still buy the damn things from somewhere font we?..

Nice dog pile you made there on the OP, guys. ,)

Like any starter GW has made lately, the box is a huge bargain. Viability of the units is another issue, but overall it's a nice value for some unique sculpts, the rulebook and, well, the narrative/gameplay fun you'll get from it. A nice expansion for new Ork players, fairly great starter for Wolves.

I'll be picking one or two for the models and mini rulebook. Also sweet Kill Team stuff.

Rule number 4 of the internet.. If people can bitch about something they will... That said I support my local gaming store because that is where I play and if they go under then I lose the nice place to play and friendly environment. Maybe if gw had a store in my city when I started I would have played there but alas they donot and I now have a relationship with the local shop and community.

As somebody who is likely picking it up, I still don't delude myself into thinking it's reasonably priced. It's good value for what it has, but when everything is overpriced to begin with a discount is still overpriced.

Also, people complain about everything GW does because GW tends to do everything wrong, even when they do something that isn't blatantly cheating you. For example with this box:

1) It's limited edition for no reason other than they delusional "impulse buying" marketing strategy

2) The Ork force seems to be fairly lackluster

Not even getting into the price.

The OP seems to have missed the previous GW complaining threads and has decided to jump on the bandwagon, since from his posts thus far it seems that 40k is booming in his area and that invalidates every complaint.

Ok, so lets compare Assault on Black Reach (the last GW starter set whilst I still played) to this new set. See how much we save money wise, and how good a box set it is in general.

First thing I would say is that in terms of models, I don't think it's as good. The Space Marines get essentially what they got in Black Reach, minus a Dreadnought. The Orks meanwhile get 10 Gretchin in the place of 20 Boyz. In my opinion, Black Reach is the clearly superior product based on what models you actually get. 10 Boyz are more useful than 10 Gretchin, once you bump it up to 20 there's no competition. Throwing in a Dreadnought for free is also good. Oh, and the Deffkoptas were also a rather fun thing to have.

Now lets judge them based on price, or rather, how much cheaper they are than the products separately. For the purposes of this, I'll say that Black Reach (due to inflation) would sell at £75 if released now, and will use current GW prices to calculate savings. We want a level playing field after all.

So:

Storm Claw - £75

Rules - £50
Space Wolf Character - £12-15
Space Wolf Terminators - £28
Space Wolf Tactical Squad - £23
Ork Warboss - £12-15
Gretchin Mob - £10
Killa Kans - £28
Nobs - £15
Total - £178-184

Total Saving - £103-109 (depending on which characters you would have brought seperately)

Black Reach - £75

Rules - £50
Space Marine Character - £12-15
Space Marine Terminators - £28
Space Marine Tactical Squad - £25
Space Marine Dreadnought - £28
Ork Warboss - £12-15
Orc Mob - £36
Deffkoptas - £61.50
Nobs - £15
Total Price - £267.50-273.50

Total Saving - £192.50- 198.50 (depending on which characters you would have brought seperately)

So we can see that the saving from Black Reach is a hell of a lot more than the saving from Storm Claw. Not only that, but you're getting a better selection of models. And you're also paying less, because when Black Reach was released the models were priced cheaper than they are today.

That's not to say that Storm Claw isn't a bargain compared to GW's normal pricing. But to say that Storm Claw demonstrates people needlessly complaining about GW is also off. In fact, it demonstrates almost the opposite. The saving from the boxset has not only fallen by almost half, the boxset itself is also of a lower quality.

Doombunny wrote:

So we can see that the saving from Black Reach is a hell of a lot more than the saving from Storm Claw. Not only that, but you're getting a better selection of models. And you're also paying less, because when Black Reach was released the models were priced cheaper than they are today.

That's not to say that Storm Claw isn't a bargain compared to GW's normal pricing. But to say that Storm Claw demonstrates people needlessly complaining about GW is also off. In fact, it demonstrates almost the opposite. The saving from the boxset has not only fallen by almost half, the boxset itself is also of a lower quality.

 Klerych wrote:
Nice dog pile you made there on the OP, guys. ,)

Yeah, it's almost like people had their views primed and ready because this is the umpteenth "complaining about complaining" thread we've had in the last few weeks.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Klerych wrote:
Nice dog pile you made there on the OP, guys. ,)

Yeah, it's almost like people had their views primed and ready because this is the umpteenth "complaining about complaining" thread we've had in the last few weeks.

And it's not even complaining on Dakka about complaining on Dakka, it's complaining on Dakka about complaining on Facebook I couldn't really see any other outcome.

 Klerych wrote:
Nice dog pile you made there on the OP, guys. ,)

Like any starter GW has made lately, the box is a huge bargain. Viability of the units is another issue, but overall it's a nice value for some unique sculpts, the rulebook and, well, the narrative/gameplay fun you'll get from it. A nice expansion for new Ork players, fairly great starter for Wolves.

I'll be picking one or two for the models and mini rulebook. Also sweet Kill Team stuff.

Dog piles start from setups like this when the first post is a rant that suggests anyone who sees things differently from the OP is wrong. It puts people on the defensive. Personally, I happen to agree with the OP, it does seem like a fair deal (for any other company) and a great deal (for GW). But his attitude from jump sets people on the defensive. Ergo, dogpile. I happen to have no interest in playing orks though, and I hate space wolves with a passion (models are stupid, new fluff is stupid, space wolf attitudes are pathetic, blatant fingers in ears over psykers, etc). So this box is definitely not for me. But it's a good deal, no matter what. In fact, it's about the same you'd pay for compatible models from Mantic with a mini rulebook included (10 enforcers, 5 peacekeepers, 3 stunt bots, 5 marauder mech/nobz, characters, goblins...) yeah, it's even a good deal by their standards.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Klerych wrote:
Nice dog pile you made there on the OP, guys. ,)

Yeah, it's almost like people had their views primed and ready because this is the umpteenth "complaining
about complaining" thread we've had in the last few weeks.

And yet the juvenile whinging continues unabated. Maybe we need more threads.

KommissarKarl wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Klerych wrote:
Nice dog pile you made there on the OP, guys. ,)

Yeah, it's almost like people had their views primed and ready because this is the umpteenth "complaining
about complaining" thread we've had in the last few weeks.

And yet the juvenile whinging continues unabated. Maybe we need more threads.

And that's the problem right there. You don't understand it so you call it juvenile. The GW apologists once again resort to insults.

KommissarKarl wrote:

And yet the juvenile whinging continues unabated.

Maybe you should read your own posts before calling someone else's juvenile.

KommissarKarl wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Klerych wrote:
Nice dog pile you made there on the OP, guys. ,)

Yeah, it's almost like people had their views primed and ready because this is the umpteenth "complaining
about complaining" thread we've had in the last few weeks.

And yet the juvenile whinging continues unabated. Maybe we need more threads.

Yeah because adding nothing to the discussion and telling people what they are doing is juvenile whinging is really mature and really helps the situation. Bravo. You should get a medal or something.

There needs to be a dakka bingo with all these threads popping up lately.

KommissarKarl wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Klerych wrote:
Nice dog pile you made there on the OP, guys. ,)

Yeah, it's almost like people had their views primed and ready because this is the umpteenth "complaining
about complaining" thread we've had in the last few weeks.

And yet the juvenile whinging continues unabated. Maybe we need more threads.

Crude and slow, clansman. Your attempt at trolling was no better than that of a clumsy child.

Back in my days, people on Dakka used to complain about people on Dakka, not Facebook.