Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

I've been tossing around the idea of making a CSM army with an allied detachment of daemons. The basis of this army is swarming the opponent, with a primary goal of getting straight into assault, tying things up or destroying them, and otherwise thwarting anyone's strategy by forcing unplanned decisions from the very start. The CSM army is highly changeable, but primarily I was planning on running 2 maulers, 2-units of raptors with meltas, a lord on a bike with spawn, two drakes, troops would be filled with cultists. As for the daemons, I've been tossing around an idea of bringing in some scout by way of one unit of flesh hounds and then one unit of blood crushers. The flesh hounds would be accompanied by a herald of khorne on a jugger-stead, and the blood crushers would be led by Karanak. This would give both units scout. The strategy would be to try and go turn 2, scout everything up, aim the maulers and lord w/spawn in the same directions. The cultists would run towards objectives, as would the daemon troops. The raptors would help run interference, or provide for alternative targets. If people focus on them, they will pay for later by way of maulerfiend. If not, I'll get into the back field and melta rear armor.

I'm wondering if anyone has run a list like this. I am also wondering what kind of tactics one would use with this type of list. Do assault type tactics, like this, work in the 7th? Also, how do you feel about the blood crushers and flesh hound units?

I've not tried Bloodcrushers, but I love the Flesh Hounds as allies to my CSM! I run a Nurgle lord with Nurgle Spawn and a Khorne Herald on a juggernaut with a big pack of Flesh Hounds. 2 wounds on such cheap models is great.

Fast, assaulting units can definitely work, try looking up battle reports and tactics with the "herald hammer"-type of lists as they play somewhat similar.

If you're willing to commit fluff HERESY:

You can run Bloodcrushers alongside a 10-man seeker squad /w ML2 herald or a Slaaneshi DP for invisibility lulz. That'll take care of a lot of the durability problems they face.

I am considering dropping the heldrakes to get more stuff on the board. I am wondering, what are the implications of taking a pure fast assault army without any AA? There is only so much air can do, and if everything is tied up in assault, there isn much at all.

Don't bother with Drakes, you're doing a rush list so they will be even more useless than they already are.

Don't take Crushers, take Daemonettes as troops (squads of 20) & Heralds on Juggers (2) in a blob of 20 Flesh Hounds.

Malefic666 wrote:
Don't bother with Drakes, you're doing a rush list so they will be even more useless than they already are.

Don't take Crushers, take Daemonettes as troops (squads of 20) & Heralds on Juggers (2) in a blob of 20 Flesh Hounds.

True, the only bloodcrushers you want are the ones you summon with daemonology. For 135 points for 3 they are up there with Tyranid Warriors for S8 pie plate catchers and only a 5++ so getting slaughtered by fire warriors and bolters alike. They look amazing though that's for sure.