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Been Around the Block




Berlin

Spent the last 3 weeks creating an Ork army.
The interesting thing about it: All models designed and printed at home.



More images under
http://brumbaer.de/index.php/epic-armageddon/35-orks

Have a nice weekend.

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Amazing.

Do you have plans to expand the army? Gunfortresses, Gargants, Supa-Stompas or the like?
   
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Regular Dakkanaut



London

You designed them all yourself?

How many hours for the 3d work?

And Siemens Tabletop Club - are you using company printers I have a friend at BAE systems who sadly likes larger scales but gets access to the printers if they aren't tasked to do anything!

edit - I note you bought your own.

I love the terrain you have done, especially the interior of the control tower, truck at the aa site and cargo details.

Interesting choice on the size of your rhino - I would have gone for the old styling but newer size. I have seen a few 3d printed Chaos rhinos and I think they missed a trick by not using the mk1 styling rather than the current GW model.

By far and away though my favourite is the Praetorian Leman Russ. Absolutely fantastic.

A friend did a Preatorian army, using zulu wars British for infantry (heroics and ross I believe) and 'Bulu's'. The old GW plastic beastmen on square bases witht he front 2 having shields painted of course as cow hide!

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UK

Wow, great stuff!

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Brilliant work planning to make them publicly available?

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Scarborough,U.K.

Awesome stuff. It's a brave new world!

Are you local? 
   
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The Netherlands

How much did it cost you (excluding the printer itself)?

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Berlin

Thanks for sour comments and interest, they are appreciated.

tgjensen wrote:
Amazing.
Do you have plans to expand the army? Gunfortresses, Gargants, Supa-Stompas or the like?

Yes, I will, but I do need a rest and have to play them for a while first, befor I add other troop types.

The_Real_Chris wrote:

You designed them all yourself?
How many hours for the 3d work?

Yes I did.
I didn't count the hours. What I can say the time varies widely between models, the clearer the image in mind is of what the model should look like, the faster the model will be done. Reusing components saves a lot of time and gives the army a coherent look.
The Bike was the first model I did and it took close to two days until I was content with the final design. But this includes the time for two Bike variants an the Ork miniature.
The skorcha in contrast took somewhere between 2 and three hours.

The_Real_Chris wrote:

Interesting choice on the size of your rhino - I would have gone for the old styling but newer size. I have seen a few 3d printed Chaos rhinos and I think they missed a trick by not using the mk1 styling rather than the current GW model.
Interesting choice on the size of your rhino - I would have gone for the old styli

I used the Variant for two reasons. First for me there is only one Rhino and that is the old iconic M113 like version. And secondly it should fit my existing army and so it had be of this form and size anyway.

The_Real_Chris wrote:

By far and away though my favourite is the Praetorian Leman Russ. Absolutely fantastic.

Yes I agree, it's a fantastic model. It's not of my design so. I just converted a Dystopian War French tank by adding Lascanon and Battlecannon.

 Llamahead wrote:
Brilliant work planning to make them publicly available?

That's a difficult topic.
I do not have the resources to produce the miniatures, the printer is no production tool and I have neither experienece nor interest in mould making.
Shapeways could be an alternative.
Highest quality from Shapeways is quite expensive 5 Stormboyz for just short of 7,50 euro.
In addition there are potential problems regarding IP. Which can be ignored for family and personal friends as long as no money making is involved, but which is an issue when making stuff available to other people, even if no profit is made.
So while I look into it once in a while, I do not really see it coming, as the balance of risk, pain and gain in not favourable.



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 Malika2 wrote:
How much did it cost you (excluding the printer itself)?

Difficult to say.
Resin less than 10 Euros.
Materials for cleaning and operation also less than 10Euros.
So that's 20Euros add a 100% margin for things I forgot or judged wrongly, makes less than 40 Euros.

Exluding time, bases and magnets.

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London

For your clear bases how do you make the depressions? I am using drill bits but don't get a flat surface.

And I take it the other Praetorian vehicles are also Dystopian wars conversions?

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Berlin

I use a milling machine.

Mostly they are just pure Dystopian wars, not even conversions.

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Drew_Riggio




Versailles, France

It is really, really impressive.

What kind of 3D printer do you use ?
   
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Berlin

Litcheur wrote:
It is really, really impressive.

What kind of 3D printer do you use ?


I use a B9 Creator
http://brumbaer.de/index.php/3d-printing/12-equipment
http://b9creator.com

It uses resin soup instead of plastic sausages. Basically it allows for finer details, but has less build space.

They are just releasing a new version 1.2 with higher resolution.
   
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Versailles, France

brumbaer wrote:
Litcheur wrote:
It is really, really impressive.
What kind of 3D printer do you use ?

I use a B9 Creator
http://brumbaer.de/index.php/3d-printing/12-equipment
http://b9creator.com
It uses resin soup instead of plastic sausages. Basically it allows for finer details, but has less build space.
They are just releasing a new version 1.2 with higher resolution.

Duh. I missed the link.

But that's very, very interesting.

That printer is quite inexpensive for this kind of technology. Most printers in the $3000 price range only use FDM, which is imply not good enough for miniatures...
   
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MN

This is THE most interesting thread on Dakka.

Thank you for sharing.

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Been Around the Block




Berlin

Nothing really new. But for those interested in 3D stuff I added some information and images of the Ork army design to the web site. It's a bit sobering or encouraging, when you see how simple the models are.

http://brumbaer.de/index.php/3d-printing/34-epicorks

Have a nice weekend.
   
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Troggoth






Trollskogen

I'm intrigued that those tiny gun barrels came out. I had a Form 1 printer, and just received my replacement upgraded Form 1+. I got to see the B9 Creator in action at a Maker Faire last year, and was very impressed. Would love to compare the two more closely at some point.
   
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 RiTides wrote:
I'm intrigued that those tiny gun barrels came out. I had a Form 1 printer, and just received my replacement upgraded Form 1+. I got to see the B9 Creator in action at a Maker Faire last year, and was very impressed. Would love to compare the two more closely at some point.


What type of gun barrels are you talking about ?


   
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Trollskogen

On the tank turrets, right in the center back of the pic in the first post. They're even hollow, it seems. Those are printed, not added after the fact, right?
   
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Berlin

Ok,
The turret is printed as one part including the barrel.
The barrel is only hollow for the first mm the rest is massive.
The wall thickness is .3 mm.

The resolution I use is .05mm in xy and .025mm in z. But you can't print a single pixel and expect it to survive.
I did test prints which printed boxes with a .1mm width and depth and a height of.5 mm, but I wouldn't call that easily reproducible under all circumstances.

I consider .3 mm wall thickness as save for design and robust enough for play especially when in an round shape.
I printed AA guns with barrels of .5mm diameter and they are stable enough for a display model, but I doubt they survive playing.
The cleats of the bikes' tires are .2mm, but basically square not round.
In rare cases I use cylinders with .3mm diameter as supports.
Features down to .2 mm can be seen. The occasional .15 feature comes more out as an hint than an feature, especially after priming.
Obviously cylinders that small can only be of short length or will snap immediately.
As you know a .2mm box has more volume than an .2 cylinder of the same height, so it's often better to make small features "less" round.
Holes are different and will differ more according to the orientation relative to the z axis.
Round holes with .4mm diameter come out very well, as can be seen on the Bikes front guns.
.2mm can often only be seen as indention and might need an reorientation of the model to come out better.
These are save parameters.
By pivoting the model on the build platform and/or changing the exposure parameters, you could optimize the quality, but I'm content with what I get, so I do not invest any time in that.
   
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Have you considered doing some BFG stuff as well?

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Berlin

 Malika2 wrote:
Have you considered doing some BFG stuff as well?


No, I do not play BFG.
But if I remember correctly there are some "BFG supporters" on shapeways, Armand being one who also shows some of his stuff at taccom.
   
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Hmm, but doesn't Epic also include some BFG stuff (orbital support or something)?

But then again, Armand makes some amazing models!

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London

Yes you have for most armies two BFG options - a cruiser that can pass over the battle turn 1 onwards, or a battleship which can arrive from turn 3 onwards. They don't actually appear on the board but do hit pre-plotted locations, conduct lance strikes on anything big enough to be easily spotted (titans) and drop troops in drop pods and anything capable of making re-entry.
   
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Versailles, France

brumbaer wrote:
The wall thickness is .3 mm.
[...]
The resolution I use is .05mm in xy and .025mm in z. But you can't print a single pixel and expect it to survive.
I did test prints which printed boxes with a .1mm width and depth and a height of.5 mm, but I wouldn't call that easily reproducible under all circumstances.

That's roughly the numbers Shapeways give for their Frosted Ultra Detail material...

That's a pretty impressive achievement, given your printer is 10 times less expensive than theirs.
   
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Berlin

@Litcheur
Is your Form 1+ up and running ?

If you are interested I'd mail you the TwinSoopa arm for the Stompas.

The barrel has the same wall thickness as the Gunwagon barrels.
How the ammunition belt and the holes in the barrel will print on the Form, would also be interesting to see.

   
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They look fantastic, simple maybe, but if it works....

Thats a really good resolution for that price




 
   
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London

brumbaer wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:

Interesting choice on the size of your rhino - I would have gone for the old styling but newer size. I have seen a few 3d printed Chaos rhinos and I think they missed a trick by not using the mk1 styling rather than the current GW model.

I used the Variant for two reasons. First for me there is only one Rhino and that is the old iconic M113 like version. And secondly it should fit my existing army and so it had be of this form and size anyway.


This incidentally is the 're-imaging' of the old rhino by FW
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Tanks/MKIC-DEIMOS-PATTERN-RHINO.html
   
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Berlin

The_Real_Chris wrote:


That's a real nice hybrid.

My latest Rhino, with two of this army's miniatures.





   
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London

Wow, those stormboyz are 3d prints? The arms can be printed like that and not snap off during extraction?

Re Rhino it is a shame the guys that got chaos rhinos cast for their armies all went for the new type not the old type.

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Berlin

The_Real_Chris wrote:
Wow, those stormboyz are 3d prints? The arms can be printed like that and not snap off during extraction?

Re Rhino it is a shame the guys that got chaos rhinos cast for their armies all went for the new type not the old type.


Yes the complete vignette is a single 3D print - just one part.

The only endangered pieces are the barrels of the Marines' guns. The diameter is about .5 mm. The removal of supports is no problem, but when handling the miniatures roving fingers may break the barrels. On the vignette they are well protected, but with miniatures on an ordinary playing stand it happens.
The arms are quite robust, haven't broken one accidentally yet.
   
 
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