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2015/11/19 08:56:05
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
I'm willing to bet significant money that the Republicans candidates are/were unaware of that paster's past, as it's fething reprehensible and I wouldn't want to associate my campaign to that crap.
Just to clarify you're saying that not one person in their respective campaigns is capable of using Google ?
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2015/11/19 09:27:52
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
I'm willing to bet significant money that the Republicans candidates are/were unaware of that paster's past, as it's fething reprehensible and I wouldn't want to associate my campaign to that crap.
Just to clarify you're saying that not one person in their respective campaigns is capable of using Google ?
Well, according to Cruz, he "doesn't know what this gentleman has said and what he hasn't said."
Of course, that's the "right" answer that his supporters (that don't agree with the sentiment) will eat up. However, I don't believe it's the truth. Cruz knows his audience and he knows how to put on a show for him.
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2015/11/19 14:14:56
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Wait. So, associating with a former domestic terrorist who's been prosecuted, time etc, is somehow worse or the same as association with a current hate-speech mongrel?
Guy, did some wrong in the past, paid for it as the justice system dictated at the time and is now a political animal. It could be confirmation bias on my part but that would seem to indicate that he was reformed and is using the established, legal process to promulgate the changes that he wants to see.
Guy who is currently preaching that all people of a certain subgroup should be rounded up and killed.
I'm not sure I follow the logic. Let's see what the officials have to say on the matter.
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2015/11/19 14:57:39
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
agnosto wrote: Wait. So, associating with a former domestic terrorist who's been prosecuted, time etc, is somehow worse or the same as association with a current hate-speech mongrel?
Guy, did some wrong in the past, paid for it as the justice system dictated at the time and is now a political animal. It could be confirmation bias on my part but that would seem to indicate that he was reformed and is using the established, legal process to promulgate the changes that he wants to see.
Guy who is currently preaching that all people of a certain subgroup should be rounded up and killed.
What "dues" did Ayers pay?
He wasn't specifically convicted of anything (many of his cohorts were). He ADMITTED that he bombed buildings to sow terror.
So, on that admission, Ayers is worst than some guy shouting some despicable hate speech.
This association is a suggestion (guilt by association game) that the two men were friends and that the friendship might indicate that the two shared similar worldviews. I mean, here's a guy who said: “I don’t regret setting bombs…I feel we didn’t do enough.”
I'm willing to bet significant money that the Republicans candidates are/were unaware of that paster's past, as it's fething reprehensible and I wouldn't want to associate my campaign to that crap.
Just to clarify you're saying that not one person in their respective campaigns is capable of using Google ?
Well, according to Cruz, he "doesn't know what this gentleman has said and what he hasn't said."
Of course, that's the "right" answer that his supporters (that don't agree with the sentiment) will eat up. However, I don't believe it's the truth. Cruz knows his audience and he knows how to put on a show for him.
Just like Obama saying of Ayers "he's just some guy in my neighborhood"...
For what it's worth, I *am* extremely disappointed that Cruz didn't outright condemn what that guy said.
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2015/11/19 15:42:09
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Just like Obama saying of Ayers "he's just some guy in my neighborhood"...
Obama also said " Bill Ayers is a professor of education in Chicago. Forty years ago, when I was 8 years old, he engaged in despicable acts with a radical domestic group. I have roundly condemned those acts." in his third debate with McCain.
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2015/11/19 16:09:32
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
agnosto wrote: Wait. So, associating with a former domestic terrorist who's been prosecuted, time etc, is somehow worse or the same as association with a current hate-speech mongrel?
Guy, did some wrong in the past, paid for it as the justice system dictated at the time and is now a political animal. It could be confirmation bias on my part but that would seem to indicate that he was reformed and is using the established, legal process to promulgate the changes that he wants to see.
Guy who is currently preaching that all people of a certain subgroup should be rounded up and killed.
What "dues" did Ayers pay?
He wasn't specifically convicted of anything (many of his cohorts were). He ADMITTED that he bombed buildings to sow terror.
So, on that admission, Ayers is worst than some guy shouting some despicable hate speech.
This association is a suggestion (guilt by association game) that the two men were friends and that the friendship might indicate that the two shared similar worldviews. I mean, here's a guy who said:
“I don’t regret setting bombs…I feel we didn’t do enough.”
He was forgiven by the one man that he accidentally injured. Property damage, sure we can bemoan property but we're talking about death here, not destroyed office furniture. If you're saying him blowing up some empty offices is the same as a man standing on stage, now, today, and advocating for actual deaths of human beings, I don't know what I can say to you. Wow.
You're right, the FBI obtained the evidence illegally and he got off on a technicality.
Your quote is accurate but it's easy to jump to conclusions if you take it out of the greater context of what he meant by "we":
When I say, 'We didn't do enough,' a lot of people rush to think, 'That must mean, "We didn't bomb enough gak."' But that's not the point at all. It's not a tactical statement, it's an obvious political and ethical statement. In this context, 'we' means 'everyone.'
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2015/11/19 16:43:37
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
agnosto wrote: Your quote is accurate but it's easy to jump to conclusions if you take it out of the greater context of what he meant by "we":
When I say, 'We didn't do enough,' a lot of people rush to think, 'That must mean, "We didn't bomb enough gak."' But that's not the point at all. It's not a tactical statement, it's an obvious political and ethical statement. In this context, 'we' means 'everyone.'
Context whembly should be well aware of, since that quote was included in the article he posted earlier. And I'm sure he reads his entire sources instead of just pulling out whatever quote happens to make a democrat look bad.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2015/11/19 16:44:23
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Nope, they don't but to steal one of your axioms, none of them do. That's the problem with our system, it takes so much money to get elected to any office that you have to be rich to do it which means we're electing people into office who have absolutely no idea how the majority of Americans live. Sure, they say that they get it but they always wind up looking our for themselves and the richer people who paid the bills to get them there.
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2015/11/19 16:47:15
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Nope, they don't but to steal one of your axioms, none of them do. That's the problem with our system, it takes so much money to get elected to any office that you have to be rich to do it which means we're electing people into office who have absolutely no idea how the majority of Americans live. Sure, they say that they get it but they always wind up looking our for themselves and the richer people who paid the bills to get them there.
100% agreement!
The irony of ironies... it's laws like Citizen's United that contributes to this.
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2015/11/19 16:49:51
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
I'm not making any sort of judgment, I'm simply pointing out that Obama did, indeed, acknowledge and condemn Ayers' past. This distinguishes him from Senator Cruz regarding the pastor in question. Granted, stating that you condemn the bombing of buildings (something most people acknowledge as being bad) is much easier than stating that you condemn an extreme manifestation of a religious opinion held by many of your supporters.
Regardless, I generally don't concern myself with peripheral associations like the one Obama had with Ayers, or Cruz has with this pastor. Politics, much like business, often requires that you work with people you don't necessarily agree with, or even like. If Ayers had been part of Obama's inner circle, or ended up working on any of his campaigns, that might be cause for concern. But their relationship, as it existed, is nothing.
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2015/11/19 18:37:15
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Probably. If they aren't then they certainly should be. The two leading candidates right now are both horrifyingly bad, and a near-guaranteed loss against whoever the democrats decide to run.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2015/11/19 19:22:17
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Probably. If they aren't then they certainly should be. The two leading candidates right now are both horrifyingly bad, and a near-guaranteed loss against whoever the democrats decide to run.
I'd love to run the attack adds against the republicans. Show the clips of republicans saying to not let the refugees in, and in the background the picture of ISIS beheading a group of christians with a caption. "ISIS says thank you for not letting these christians get away"
2015/11/19 19:52:58
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Probably. If they aren't then they certainly should be. The two leading candidates right now are both horrifyingly bad, and a near-guaranteed loss against whoever the democrats decide to run.
I love Bernie but I don't think he would win; there are too many years of screaming hysteria about Socialism to overcome for voters to recognize he actually cares about people more than corporations.
That said, Trump and Carson are both raving lunatics....so I guess it'd be a toss-up.
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2015/11/19 19:55:28
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
When people post gak that was thoroughly debunked 7 years ago as "facts" you quickly realize that this country may just be stupid enough to elect Trump.
2015/11/19 20:03:17
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
d-usa wrote: When people post gak that was thoroughly debunked 7 years ago as "facts" you quickly realize that this country may just be stupid enough to elect Trump.
Yeah. Your average American is a piss-poor fact-checker and too lazy to check into things for themselves so they wind up depending on whatever news agency validates their political leanings.
Edit:
But to give people a little credit; they didn't vote for the wacko from Alaska...
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2015/11/19 20:06:10
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Yahoo News asked Trump whether this level of tracking might require registering Muslims in a database or giving them a form of special identification that noted their religion. He wouldn’t rule it out.
“We’re going to have to — we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely,” Trump said when presented with the idea. “We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.”
Remind you of anyone yet?
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2015/11/19 20:10:43
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
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Trump won't get the nomination, I am 99% sure of it.
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Yahoo News asked Trump whether this level of tracking might require registering Muslims in a database or giving them a form of special identification that noted their religion. He wouldn’t rule it out.
“We’re going to have to — we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely,” Trump said when presented with the idea. “We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.”
Remind you of anyone yet?
My history detector is pinging in some rather dark places.
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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
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2015/11/19 20:30:21
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Yahoo News asked Trump whether this level of tracking might require registering Muslims in a database or giving them a form of special identification that noted their religion. He wouldn’t rule it out.
“We’re going to have to — we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely,” Trump said when presented with the idea. “We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.”
Remind you of anyone yet?
My history detector is pinging in some rather dark places.
Someone should tell him that tattoos are especially effective as the person can't forget to bring it with them...
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2015/11/19 20:51:52
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Yahoo News asked Trump whether this level of tracking might require registering Muslims in a database or giving them a form of special identification that noted their religion. He wouldn’t rule it out.
“We’re going to have to — we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely,” Trump said when presented with the idea. “We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.”
Remind you of anyone yet?
My history detector is pinging in some rather dark places.
Someone should tell him that tattoos are especially effective as the person can't forget to bring it with them...
Forgot a racialy pure elite corps clad in smart black uniforms, kneehigh boots and nice black leather coats....
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Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
2015/11/19 20:58:05
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
OK, jackboots aside...Trumps an idiot but don't count out his ability to make people buy into his delusions; he's built a pretty sizable fortune and a career on it.
Besides, chips would be the new thing, not tattoos.
Edit:
Not so much racially pure but religiously pure?
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2015/11/19 21:18:30
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
agnosto wrote: OK, jackboots aside...Trumps an idiot but don't count out his ability to make people buy into his delusions; he's built a pretty sizable fortune and a career on it.
Besides, chips would be the new thing, not tattoos.
Probably. If they aren't then they certainly should be. The two leading candidates right now are both horrifyingly bad, and a near-guaranteed loss against whoever the democrats decide to run.
I'd love to run the attack adds against the republicans. Show the clips of republicans saying to not let the refugees in, and in the background the picture of ISIS beheading a group of christians with a caption. "ISIS says thank you for not letting these christians get away"
Obama isn't about "letting these Christians in" and neither are the Democrats. In fact, one Republican is on record for saying we should prioritize letting Syrian Christians in and he's getting flack for it.
Also, why do you liberals want to spend millions of dollars to move people half-way around the world? What US interest is involved here? Seriously, what's wrong with Africa or Asia as primary destinations? Didn't the "arab spring" work wonderfully in Libya? Why not send them there? Or Algeria? Or Tunisia? Also, why is it that other Muslim dominated nations are refusing to take in Syrian refugees? I don't see Saudi Arabia looking to take in Syrian Christians. Jordan? Iran?
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2015/11/19 21:33:05
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Ye gawds, what an idiot. At least both parties in his state are panning him.
Reading the letter, I'm not even sure what his point was; it didn't feel like he was recommending that we round up all the Muslims and place them in camps.
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2015/11/19 21:34:54
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Probably. If they aren't then they certainly should be. The two leading candidates right now are both horrifyingly bad, and a near-guaranteed loss against whoever the democrats decide to run.
I'd love to run the attack adds against the republicans. Show the clips of republicans saying to not let the refugees in, and in the background the picture of ISIS beheading a group of christians with a caption. "ISIS says thank you for not letting these christians get away"
Obama isn't about "letting these Christians in" and neither are the Democrats. In fact, one Republican is on record for saying we should prioritize letting Syrian Christians in and he's getting flack for it.
Also, why do you liberals want to spend millions of dollars to move people half-way around the world? What US interest is involved here? Seriously, what's wrong with Africa or Asia as primary destinations? Didn't the "arab spring" work wonderfully in Libya? Why not send them there? Or Algeria? Or Tunisia? Also, why is it that other Muslim dominated nations are refusing to take in Syrian refugees? I don't see Saudi Arabia looking to take in Syrian Christians. Jordan? Iran?
There's so much wrong with what you typed, I don't know where to start. Good day to you sir!
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