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So, I Might be entering a doubles tournament, never done a tournament before. It's 1500 points per player, and the other guy on my team will be bringing all the AA and mobility, lots of guys in Valks and Vendettas. That makes it my job to stay on the board, hold the backfield, and push up a little to get some of the middle ground.

I was thinking something along the lines of:

HQ

1.

Tank Commander (Pask):
Punisher
Heavy bolter sponsons front and side.
Camo netting
Fire Barrels

Punisher
Heavy Bolters all round.

2.

Tank Commander:
Vanquisher
Camo netting
Lascannon

Vanquisher
Lascannon

Troops:

Veterans
3x Plasma Guns
Chimera

2 more of the same

Heavy Support:

2x Eradicators
Heavy Bolter front sponsons.


Anywhere near decent?

If your friend is rushing in guns blazing with valks and vendettas, I would recommend longer ranged units like exterminators or more vanquishers/battle cannons. This would give you the chance to knock out AA units hanging around so he doesn't have to deal with it himself. Fire barrels is a good idea on Pask but I would change his buddy to an executioner if the points permit since the 5 plasma templates (3 + 2 sponsons) would be able to smash through any infantry/MC units.

If you want, you could straight up bring the AM formation from red waargh loaded with 5 vanquishers and a hydra. Then proceed to bring a secondary detachment of mech guard to take objectives.

Yeah, I get where you're coming from with the long range, 5 vanqs seems a little overkill, especially seeing as my mates got vendettas - maybe a mix of exterminators and vanqs? but I really like the idea of the of the formation, only thing is the hydra seems like a bit of a tax.

But then, you take it for the preferred enemy.

Pask works best with Multimeltas and a Lascannon. He's primarily anti tank or MC/HI. Executioner buddy is a must.

Have you considered Wyverns they'll do far more damage from further away than the Eradicators.

Not a huge fan of Vanquishers in 7th.

Cheers for the replies guys, got two alternatives based on your advice.

HQ

Company Command Squad:
4x Plasma Gun
Chimera

Troops

2x Veteran Squad
2 Plasma guns
Chimera.

Steel Host:

Command Vanquisher:
Lascannon
Fire Barrels
Camo Netting

Squad Mate:
Vanquisher
Lascannon
Camo Netting

3x Executioner:
Plasma Cannon Sponsons
Camo Netting

Hydra.

List 2:

Tank Commander:
Pask Punisher
Lascannon
Multimeltas
Camo Netting
Fire Barrels

Executioner Squad mate
Plasma Cannon Sponsons

Tank Commander:
Vanquisher
Lascannon
Camo Netting
Fire Barrels

Vanquisher
Lascannon.

The same vets as the first list

3x Wyverns.

Either of these?

List 2 looks very strong.

Fire barrels on pretty much anything but Chimeras is a waste - if your Vanqs are getting assaulted gak has gone wrong and D6 hits won't really do much to the termys/other fast-moving assault troops which are about to power-something you

Yeah, I knew fire barrels weren't the best, just wanted to get the points down somewhere.

You need a little more AT in your army. Consider a normal Leman Russ squadron for that Heavy Support slot. That way you can counter heavy Infantry and tanks in equal measure (Just take a few to ensure you hit with the battle cannon). If you want to keep the costs down I reccomend you don't take Heavy Bolter sponsons on Leman Russ as the Battle Cannon is an ordnance weapon.

I'm of the opinion that the Battle tank is pretty over-costed, especially since my team mate will be bringing vendettas for whatever my vanqs miss.

He has Pask and 2 Vanquishers for AT (plus whatever his partner brings) if he wanted more going to Melta Vets with 1 or 2 squads would be the best way to get it.


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The LRBT is terrible and sponsons on it a waste. It is the least points efficient variant.

I am in favor of outright spamming of vanquishers. Too bad geedubs didn't put in beast hunter shells as an upgrade :( If you can't instagib a knight in a turn, you didn't bring enough vanquishers.

Pask does 4 HPs alone to a Knight assuming he's in the 4++ facing (if not he kills it).

Thing with vanqs, is as much as i love them, they are gonna miss a lot, and even then they are kinda stuck when you're left with no vehicles to shoot at, what are you going to do?

Well, that kinda depends on what other kit you've got. Did you buy sponsons? Personally, I like sponsons on Vanqs so they can keep their hand in even w/o armour to target. HBs for mass fire or you can go LC/MM/MM and just wreck shop with AP2 (paying a huge premium to do so though...). Ignoring the super expensive version there, I think there is a place for HB sponsons in Vanqs if you're spamming them. Maybe not all of them, but some. Easier at 1850, but doable in general.

If you have the models, spamming vanquishers with MM + LC would be very scary due to the sheer amount of ap 2 dakka you put out. Horrible for hordes, extremely awesome against MC and other. Not recommended because you can definitely find proper units to do what you need to do.

Fun nonetheless

I would go differently. I would dump the second tank commander. I would throw in a pair of manticores. Dual manticores with the wyverns means you have the anti-infantry and area denial weapons. The Van/Exe pair is good, providing excellent firepower. The vets are mobile and provide anti elite infantry protection.

Manticores aren't worth it anymore. They can't one shot tanks which makes their AT inefficient compared to other options and they do not do bear the damage to infantry that Wyverns do. Deathstrikes are a much better choice than Manticores always, cheaper and can put out a devastating amount of hurt. Deathstrikes are also a great fear weapon forcing your opponent to spread even wider than he wants and making him think twice about firing Serpent shields.

But I think list 2 from the last selection will do what he needs it to. Obviously to improve I'd drop fire barrels and Chimeras down to Tauroxes and go grab more special weapons on the vets. But that is hardly major.

I was under the impression chimeras were the way to go over the taurox - What's the argument for taurox over chimeras?

It is cheaper, more firepoints, better weapon loadout, can go into terrain easier making it more survivable. Chimera is better for sitting backfield where the improved front AV is useful. If you are grabbing objectives (as 7th forces you to do from turn 1) the Taurox is cheaper and better in every way.