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So I was checking out the official forums and I cam across a post from the Infinity GENCON tourney organizers in regards to house ruling out a tactic known as the "King Kong"
You can check the link for details on the tactic, but it boils down to using a model that is impersonating to block line of sight denying the use of template weapons (they can not directly or indirectly target a friendly model). This tactic was used to great effect in a Combined Army list that won the Interplanetary Tourney in Spain over the weekend.
I know how people can feel about the subject of WAAC coming from the GW-verse, but I am interested in starting a "CIVIL" debate on the subject in regards to infinity. For those of you who posted your thought over at CB please share here as there is some very useful tactical information in the thread on how to deal with threats like this.
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After following the Spanish threads and some messaging from US players who attended the Interplanetary, I would like warn players if they hope to copy an unscrupulous Spanish tactic.
Known as the "King Kong" tactic where you bring an Avatar or Large model and park an impersonated Speculor killer in front of it to deter template weapons from hitting the Avatar.
The rules state, that you may not target a friendly trooper with a template weapon (direct or indirect).
So, by placing a "friendy" Speculo Killer close to an Avatar, you will have a very tough time targeting the Avatar with a template weapon and you cannot target the Speculor with a ML or LGL in the hopes of hitting the Avatar.
The Avatar is large and can see over the Speuclo, so if you are trying to discover the Speculo, chances are that the Avatar will be receiving normal rolls to fire at you.
I am not a fan of house rules, but I am less of a fan of players searching for exploits and cheesing their way to victory.
So, heads-up for the GenCon tournaments;
A. There will be NO table wide low viz zones. Table wide Low Viz is fine for campaigns, special scenarios but not randomized tables in a large event.
B. If anyone tries to cheese this Avatar-Speculo tactic, be warned you are now subject to the following house rule;
"If a 'friendly' model begins the game in the enemy's side of the table and/or close to an enemy model (e.g., parking an impersonated Speculo next to an Avatar) and the 'friendly' model does not attempt to move away or attack the enemy model for more than 3 orders, your army ascertains that this 'friendly' trooper is not what it seems and is immediately discovered, provided any of your models have LoS to the 'friendly' model."
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What's preventing the firing player from angling the template so that it doesn't hit the impersonator model? There is a pretty large difference in base size from an Avatar and a Speculor... (and how many factions will wan't to engage a TAG with a template weapon anyway?!)
Yes, this "tactic", like many others in Infinity will catch a player off guard the first time that he has to face it, but it only takes two seconds to counter it, there is absolutely no need to house rule this away and there really is nothing WAAC about it.
From what I have read yes they can, but I think the exact weapon being attempted was a HRL used by Phoenix, I am not spun up on the rules enough to have a firm grasp on how this all plays out.
The HRL is a direct fire weapon that produces a template on hit. If he targets the avatar the Speculo falls into the template which is an illegal shot.
You could angle flamer templates to avoid the Speculo, but I Don't think you get the luxury of moving the blast template around on a successful Rocket Launcher shot.
For referance some rules out of the wiki
Rocket Launcher
Support weapon, with B 2, which shoots FIRE Special Ammunition, placing a Circular Template at the point of impact. There are two versions of this weapon, light and heavy, with different values for Distance and Damage. The Rocket Launcher is a BS weapon that cannot be used in CC
And how the template works
- When does a template affects to a miniature?
When the miniature has its base totally or partially under the Template. So, when there is any measurable portion of base under the template it is affected.
- What happens if a directly placed template (such as a template placed from a Light Flamethrower or Missile Launcher) or indirectly placed template (such as Grenades thrown with Speculative Shot, but not those that Deviate) accidentally hits friendly or allied models?
Shot gets cancelled,except for smoke grenades.
Automatically Appended Next Post: AS for speculative, from what I know Rocket Launchers can not be fired as Speculative shots only parabolic weapons i.e. Grenades and GLs
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also maybe I should have put this topic in the rules forum lol. It kinda is a grey area between tactics and rules.
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I have to agree with Phantom here, even if I see the move as dirty, it frankly broke absolutely no rules in the process and is very situational at best, I mean it was just bad luck the mission was annihilation.
The fundamental problem of this whole mess is how powerful the Avatar is, I mean he is without a doubt the single most powerful unit in Infinity. He has Arm 10 and a BS 15 and OOD so you get a -6 to hit. To drop his OOD you need to hit him with flame or E/M, but if you get within 8 inches (no LoF needed) he will sepistor you, hell even if you don't get close there is a 75% chance he is just going to punk you in ARO with his multi HMG.
Like I said the tactic is dirty because it removes the only "reasonably" safe way to drop the Avatar's OOD by hitting him with a Rocket from a safe distance.
