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Hello everyone.

I've been painting over half of my Death Guard Army and have now moved on to painting the corpse/skull racks that are adorned with loyalist space marine heads, tau, and tyranid skulls etc.
Since I'd like to try and keep it fluffy with the color scheme, my questions are:

1)What Loyalist Space Marine faction detests the Death Guard legion or Nurgle the most or is there any space marine legion that has fought against the Death Guard the most fiercely or in any large notable battles? Like how the Iron Hands and Emperor's Children have a history with one another.

I've looked over as much of the fluff online as I could and the only thing I found on loyalist legions mentioned were Salamanders and Imperial Fists whom had fought alongside the Death Guard before they turned traitor. I also understand that the Death Guard played a major role in the attack on the Terra against Imperial forces but it doesn't mention which exact space marine legion fought against them during their invasion.

2) Also, in any of the fluff, books, and stories have the Death Guard encountered or fought against any specific Tyranid Hive Fleets or Tau Enclaves.

I apologize if I missed anything obvious. I spent a very good time reading over the fluff and couldn't find an answer I was confident in.

Thanks everyone for your time.

There isn't a ton of fluff, but there's some mention of the Ravenguard having a grudge against them. Companion wise, Death Guard and 1k Sons don't really get along. Grey knights also supposedly have some lore in their new codex about fighting the Death Guard, but honestly, there's no clear nemesis for them.

 jreilly89 wrote:
There isn't a ton of fluff, but there's some mention of the Ravenguard having a grudge against them. Companion wise, Death Guard and 1k Sons don't really get along. Grey knights also supposedly have some lore in their new codex about fighting the Death Guard, but honestly, there's no clear nemesis for them.

While both statements are true, Mortarion did not get along well with any of the legions or their primarchs, not just Magnus and his 1k sons.

Also, although Draigo did carve Geronitan's name into Mortarion's heart and the grey knights have fought the death guard on many occasions, that is their job. They fight all of the traitor legions, not just the death guard.

So once again, while true, neither 1k sons or grey knights IMO are really their rivals or sworn enemies.

The ultramarines and the raven guard approached Big E saying they thought Morty was defecting, so there's that too, but once again, not mortal enemies.

So in conclushe I guess go ahead and paint any ol' heads because everyone fething hates the Death Guard haha

True, that was just the closest I could find. Death Guard don't seem to have many sworn rivals. Guess they're so friendly?

In the old 2nd Edition Chaos Codex (when there were actually pages with fluff in Codexes), the rivals of the Death Guard are Tzeentch. The rivals of Khorne is Slaneesh.

As GW changes its fluff so many times (as making Dark- and Eldar friendly), there no doubt will be changes from that time onwards.

I use the fluff of the old Chaos Codex though (the best Codex ever made imho)!



Kind regards,

Low

 Low_K wrote:
In the old 2nd Edition Chaos Codex (when there were actually pages with fluff in Codexes), the rivals of the Death Guard are Tzeentch. The rivals of Khorne is Slaneesh.

As GW changes its fluff so many times (as making Dark- and Eldar friendly), there no doubt will be changes from that time onwards.

I use the fluff of the old Chaos Codex though (the best Codex ever made imho)!



Kind regards,

Low

Sorry to shoot down another idea, but those are the rivalries between the chaos gods, and that is still the case, that is not exclusively old fluff.

And having the gods of traitor legions hate each other is like having my manager hate your manager. Doesn't mean a whole lot, doesn't really have anything to do with you or me but we might be used against each other as pawns in our superior's conflict with each other.

 Low_K wrote:
In the old 2nd Edition Chaos Codex (when there were actually pages with fluff in Codexes), the rivals of the Death Guard are Tzeentch. The rivals of Khorne is Slaneesh.

I believe I remember this being specifically in there because Nurgle is enthrophic, natural decay with no order or direction and lack or purpose. Tzeentch is the opposite consisting of highly ordered, complex, and interwoven schemes. Highly organized agendas. opposites and therefore rivals. Khorne being rage and bloodlust is the opposite of pleasure and hedonism.

Seeing as Garro from the Horus Heresy used to be part of the Death Guard and the fact that he's linked to the founding of the Grey Knights I'd say they may bear an old grudge against papa Nurgle and Mortarions sons.

Paint the helmets as me 'cause I hate them.

None I can think of, they seem not to have many grudges or alliances like the other legions.

There primarch was not the most charismatic or outgoing of the lot. Effective but not like Horus who had links to many legions and primarchs.

Best I could give is Iron Hands, but that's a hatred on the Hands' part, not the Death Guard. The Iron Hands despise the weakness of flesh and the Death Guard are the weakness of flesh made strong, using organics and disease in everything. If I remember right, the Iron Hands book had some good Death Guard hate in it so that might be a good choice. Maybe not the most exciting paint job, but still it would work.

Despite the fact that morty is death encarnate, he didn't actively hate many of the other legions. The 1ksons and anyone else who uses psykers are probably your best bet, because he has never been fond of them.

Soap.

 changerofways wrote:


Also, although Draigo did carve Geronitan's name into Mortarion's heart and the grey knights have fought the death guard on many occasions, that is their job. They fight all of the traitor legions, not just the death guard.

It's their job to fight daemons, and to a lessor extent the daemonically possessed traitor legions. They arent specifically out to crush the Iron Warriors. Of course they will, but it isnt their Raison d'Etre


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 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:

 Low_K wrote:
In the old 2nd Edition Chaos Codex (when there were actually pages with fluff in Codexes), the rivals of the Death Guard are Tzeentch. The rivals of Khorne is Slaneesh.

I believe I remember this being specifically in there because Nurgle is enthrophic, natural decay with no order or direction and lack or purpose. Tzeentch is the opposite consisting of highly ordered, complex, and interwoven schemes. Highly organized agendas. opposites and therefore rivals. Khorne being rage and bloodlust is the opposite of pleasure and hedonism.

Khorne also represents effort and rigor of training(not for a particular interwoven scheme, but just practice and readiness for their own sake), while slannesh represents sloth.

Well afik the deathguard kept most of the other legions at arms length for the most part, espically the thousand sons, they hated those guys. The only other primarch morty seemed to like was Horus.

As far as other marines who had a grudge aganst the DG, I know the Salamanders took a pretty bad mauling from them at the Isstvan V dropsite massacre.

The Death Guard did some very brutal fighting with the Death Korps of Krieg during the Siege of Vraks.

The Grey Knights and the Inquisition together probably have the strongest case though. The GKs have the link to loyalist Death Guard and were created at the behest of the Inquisition. Draigo humiliated Morty. The Grey Knights and Death Guard were also big adversaries during the Siege of Vraks, and the Inquisition created a whole new Ordo just to deal with the Zombie Plague that the Death Guard developed and unleashed. Whether fighting the Death Guard is "their job" or not (debatable with GK's, since their actual official job is fighting Chaos DAEMONS) these two groups seem to be the "traditional" enemies of the Death Guard.

I know there is the 68th Deltic Lions - a Militarum Tempestus unit that fights them specifically, and Nurgle likes to mess with them.

...I am unsure if its against the rules to link this...