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Hey dakka, I swear that this post will be my last of these for a while as I plan to finally pick an army and stick with it for the foreseeable future. So after much help from dakka I have narrowed the choice down to DE and Necrons. Any pros, cons, tactics, color schemes, and lists you guys have for either would be very helpful and be taken into account for when I choose.

My opponent usually plays Orks (a shooty combination of footslogging and mech) and sometimes IG.

Please help, the cumulative effort of Dakka has been so very helpful so far.

Thanks,
Abzapp

I think Necrons look significantly better with less effort. To make Dark Eldar look good, you need to be an amazing painter. To make Necrons look good, you need only be competent.

Both will have new codices released this year and next. So don't go buying all out because maybe something will be nerfed or axed out of the codex.

So be careful what you buy.

Choose one that you like because of lore.. but i like necrons cause they are kinda cheap compared to other races..

Just take whatever jumps at you.

On the tabletop Dark Eldar can be pretty good, but are infamously fickle to play due to their frailty.

Necrons are pretty straightforward and very durable, preferring close range shooting.

Thanks for your input guys.

Obviously I have read the fluff for both races and like them both, thats why Im having trouble picking,

Dark Eldar are douches to everyone. Necrons are douches to people on their planets.

I lack experience with Dark Eldar.

But I have to say I absolutely love my Necrons.
Every game I am able to build a completely different list to surprise my enemies with.
They have many hilarious combinations and I love the fluff.
In my opinion they have no *real* weakness which they cannot handle with their own codex.

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/6th_Edition_Tactics/Necrons#Why_Play_Necrons

Kangodo wrote:
I lack experience with Dark Eldar.

But I have to say I absolutely love my Necrons.
Every game I am able to build a completely different list to surprise my enemies with.
They have many hilarious combinations and I love the fluff.
In my opinion they have no *real* weakness which they cannot handle with their own codex.

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/6th_Edition_Tactics/Necrons#Why_Play_Necrons

Personally, I have to disagree. I've noticed almost every other book out there has A LOT more access to AP2 or lower. Necrons have a Doomsday Ark (175 points for one gun? Ehh, maybe?), the Doom Scythe (Which is good, but it's on a rather fragile platform, doesn't start on the board, and if you jink, you lose the Death Ray), and then they have Wraiths and Warscythe for close combat. That's why I find Terminators to be among the most annoying/hard to kill units, simply because we lack widely spread AP2.

Either Necrons or Dark Eldar should be able to tear up an Ork or AM force.

It really boils down to how you want to play the game. Are you wanting durability? Necrons. Are you wanting to be able to redeploy your entire force on any given turn? DE

As others have said, it's highly likely both races will receive a new codex within the next 6 months so it's really hard to recommend a long term force composition for either.

 krodarklorr wrote:
Personally, I have to disagree. I've noticed almost every other book out there has A LOT more access to AP2 or lower. Necrons have a Doomsday Ark (175 points for one gun? Ehh, maybe?), the Doom Scythe (Which is good, but it's on a rather fragile platform, doesn't start on the board, and if you jink, you lose the Death Ray), and then they have Wraiths and Warscythe for close combat. That's why I find Terminators to be among the most annoying/hard to kill units, simply because we lack widely spread AP2.

You are correct.
Maybe it's just my meta that doesn't have a lot of 2+.

And when I have to fight the GK-player, I usually have enough VoF to get rid of them. But he has unlucky rolls

So what would your 1k point list for Necrons be to play against orks?

DE players feel free to make a list as well if you want.

 krodarklorr wrote:
Dark Eldar are douches to everyone. Necrons are douches to people on their planets.

I don't play either army (though DE have always looked intriguing to me, I may do them eventually), but I do like the Dark Eldar fluff a lot more than the Necron fluff simply because the Dark Eldar actually have personality while, ironically, Necron players don't want their army to have personality. I've always found that amusing.

Well, Trazyn the Infinite (Necron) is good against Ork mobs. If you put enough Lords or Lychguard on the field, he's nearly un-killable. Meanwhile, he can kill entire units with a single successful melee roll.

Make the Lychguard sword and shield to better protect Trazyn (and serve as body doubles if he dies).

Tesla weapons are also effective since the shots arc. Immortals and Annihilation Barges are your friend.

I think. I haven't gotten past the rigorous research stage of my involvement with the hobby yet, honestly. So I can't give exact points.


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EDIT: Strike tesla immortals. That's still valid, but only the Annihilation Barge arcs.

+1 for Dark Eldar. Been playing them for a year and they're hilarious fun.

That said, if I had the time and money for another army, I'd pick up Necrons.

And another mention of the "both have new codices coming soon so maybe don't go all in asap" thought.

Abzapp wrote:Obviously I have read the fluff for both races and like them both, thats why Im having trouble picking

What got you to narrow it down to just those two in the first place?

^Awesome, its all about the fun.

Also great post, makes it very easy to add to my tally.

Go Necrons, they have a decent selection of "toys" that makes the other factions cry. I chose them in 4th ed because I liked ticking my opponent off.

Just from what I've seen, Dark Eldar are one of the coolest and most efficient races out there but they are pretty damned difficult to use. Anytime I see a person play DE I have a bit of automatic respect for them due to it being difficult.
In my opinion, if you're a skilled player, you could make DE work but if you're relatively new to the game, go Necrons.

Thanks for all the help. I think I'm close to making my decision.

I vote Necrons, very effective and durable. Look Great and the only downside in making them is some of the vehicles like the ghost arks and the stalkers can be tedious like framing a house.

 zombiekila707 wrote:
Choose one that you like because of lore.. but i like necrons cause they are kinda cheap compared to other races..

Yeah, my necron force has been really cheap to put together. Though a lot of that comes from their codex having limited good options. Their troop box comes with extra stuff though, which is nice. Their "odd man out" units (like plague drones and bikes) are not the top unit in the book (the jetbikes they get) so many people don't take them.

I love my Dark Eldar. They look absolutely amazing, they have some of the best fluff in the entire game in my opinion, and I love the way they play. They are a scalpel, with which you can peel apart your opponent like a Haemonculi with a realspace raid victim.

I'm seconding the "don't go all-in" idea, however. Feel free to grab an Archon, some Kabalites, Raiders, Venoms, and Ravagers, but beyond that I'd wait to see what the new codex looks like.

I haven't played them much under 7th and didn't play them that often under 6th, but I personally didn't find their new codex all that different than their original one.

I just couldn't ever get the melee units to work and the grotesque/wrack bombs were far inferior to the all mounted pewpew lists.

I just didn't find DE all that much fun to be honest.

The models are absolutely fantastic though and I like their aesthetic much more than Necron.

If you like the idea of fairly fast past, fully mounted, shooty armor Dark Eldar are it. I just couldn't get anything else to work for me :(

Kangodo wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Personally, I have to disagree. I've noticed almost every other book out there has A LOT more access to AP2 or lower. Necrons have a Doomsday Ark (175 points for one gun? Ehh, maybe?), the Doom Scythe (Which is good, but it's on a rather fragile platform, doesn't start on the board, and if you jink, you lose the Death Ray), and then they have Wraiths and Warscythe for close combat. That's why I find Terminators to be among the most annoying/hard to kill units, simply because we lack widely spread AP2.

You are correct.
Maybe it's just my meta that doesn't have a lot of 2+.

And when I have to fight the GK-player, I usually have enough VoF to get rid of them. But he has unlucky rolls

Heavy Destroyers and Eldritch lances can be good against Terminators. Also, Transcendent C'Tan. Plenty of AP2 and AP1 to be had, just a matter if you want to spend the points for it. Last game I played was the first one where I tried a Royal Court unit...4 Destrukteks and a Res Orb. expensive, but it kept me from being completely wasted by Meganobz (or whatever there TEQs are called).

 Wilytank wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Dark Eldar are douches to everyone. Necrons are douches to people on their planets.

I don't play either army (though DE have always looked intriguing to me, I may do them eventually), but I do like the Dark Eldar fluff a lot more than the Necron fluff simply because the Dark Eldar actually have personality while, ironically, Necron players don't want their army to have personality. I've always found that amusing.

I love the new fluff. Which is why I play necrons. If I were stuck with their old fluff, I probably wouldn't play them, honestly. I love having personalities, and I have a lot of respect for The Last Silent King.


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 jasper76 wrote:

Kangodo wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Personally, I have to disagree. I've noticed almost every other book out there has A LOT more access to AP2 or lower. Necrons have a Doomsday Ark (175 points for one gun? Ehh, maybe?), the Doom Scythe (Which is good, but it's on a rather fragile platform, doesn't start on the board, and if you jink, you lose the Death Ray), and then they have Wraiths and Warscythe for close combat. That's why I find Terminators to be among the most annoying/hard to kill units, simply because we lack widely spread AP2.

You are correct.
Maybe it's just my meta that doesn't have a lot of 2+.

And when I have to fight the GK-player, I usually have enough VoF to get rid of them. But he has unlucky rolls

Heavy Destroyers and Eldritch lances can be good against Terminators. Also, Transcendent C'Tan. Plenty of AP2 and AP1 to be had, just a matter if you want to spend the points for it. Last game I played was the first one where I tried a Royal Court unit...4 Destrukteks and a Res Orb. expensive, but it kept me from being completely wasted by Meganobz (or whatever there TEQs are called).

I try and not play the T-C'tan that much, since he is rather obnoxiously powerful. But my favorite HS option is the Doom Scythe when it comes to low AP. IT's not much, but it can come on one turn, wipe out some nobs or something, then fly off the next turn.

 jasper76 wrote:
Heavy Destroyers and Eldritch lances can be good against Terminators. Also, Transcendent C'Tan. Plenty of AP2 and AP1 to be had, just a matter if you want to spend the points for it. Last game I played was the first one where I tried a Royal Court unit...4 Destrukteks and a Res Orb. expensive, but it kept me from being completely wasted by Meganobz (or whatever there TEQs are called).

That's a good point!
I have 7 Cryptek-models, so I should try to play them more often.
Let's hope that H-Destroyers are good, I'll be fielding nine at my next apocalypse!

:( It really sucks when you have too many models to play Apocalypse with everything.

My T-C'tans usually stay where they belong: At home.
I feel sorry for my opponents and I don't want to crush their hopes and dreams too hard.

PS. Did anyone notice that the T-C'tans Destroyer-attack-while-moving has no AP? Insane!