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1 if a Chaos space marine is already possessed can he become a prince?

2 if it takes csm's who have been alive since the horus heresy so long to ascend, how plausible is it to say that a space marine in a renegade chapter turned to chaos would become a daemon Prince. In other words, they are much much much younger, have drastically less forces at disposal, etc.

3 apparently i read that princes very rarely leave the warp, but if they lose their gods favor they turn them into a spawn. How then do they continue to appease their masters?

4 thinking of making a home made word bearers warband. Which wound be most likely to become a daemon Prince. Dark Apostle or Coryphaus?


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Oh and since they are given daemon worlds and are in the warp, can they create daemons and bless their servants. I would think they still maintain a link between their chapter and i thought it would be cool for the Prince to still have a large influence/command over his former chapter and perhaps aid them

1) Yes, because if a chaos god is going to give you the ultimate reward he's not going to let much stop him much less something like that. Anything can be done with MAGIC

2) Chaos is fickle and all that. So yes, anyone can become a daemon prince. Mostly seems to boil down to luck.

3) In the warp Daemon Princes can continue to appease their masters by ordering around other daemons, just like the gods do themselves. You think Magnus is a dissapointment to Tzeentch? Angron to Khorne? No, they are their biggest successes, yet they stay in the warp all the time pretty much. They are leaders more than fighters in this role.

4) Not sure who Coryphaus is.

A dark apostle is the spiritual leader of a word bearer host while the coryphaus is the militant leader

 Androxine Vortex wrote:
1 if a Chaos space marine is already possessed can he become a prince?

So if a mortal is possessed, then he wouldnt really be acting on his own so why would he be rewarded with princedom. Perhaps you could think of a CSM being given lesser princedom, daemonhood and immortality but very limited power would look something like a possessed. Then they could be rewarded further into a DP that looks like your average nasty bad@$$

2 if it takes csm's who have been alive since the horus heresy so long to ascend, how plausible is it to say that a space marine in a renegade chapter turned to chaos would become a daemon Prince. In other words, they are much much much younger, have drastically less forces at disposal, etc.

The chaos gods rewards deeds, not length of devotion. It's meritocracy. If a younger renegade(who worships chaos) does great deeds, conquers many plantets, spreads the gods word, kills many enemies they can ascend. Being around for 10,000 years and praying doesnt get you in though, it might not even help.

3 apparently i read that princes very rarely leave the warp, but if they lose their gods favor they turn them into a spawn. How then do they continue to appease their masters?

Immortality is immortality. Princes are very infrequently turned to spawn. They rarely leave the warp, because they lack motivation.

4 thinking of making a home made word bearers warband. Which wound be most likely to become a daemon Prince. Dark Apostle or Coryphaus?

whichever did greater deeds for the cause.

 Androxine Vortex wrote:
1 if a Chaos space marine is already possessed can he become a prince?

2 if it takes csm's who have been alive since the horus heresy so long to ascend, how plausible is it to say that a space marine in a renegade chapter turned to chaos would become a daemon Prince. In other words, they are much much much younger, have drastically less forces at disposal, etc.

3 apparently i read that princes very rarely leave the warp, but if they lose their gods favor they turn them into a spawn. How then do they continue to appease their masters?

4 thinking of making a home made word bearers warband. Which wound be most likely to become a daemon Prince. Dark Apostle or Coryphaus?


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Oh and since they are given daemon worlds and are in the warp, can they create daemons and bless their servants. I would think they still maintain a link between their chapter and i thought it would be cool for the Prince to still have a large influence/command over his former chapter and perhaps aid them

1. Maybe
2. Possibly
3. By being amusing as a spawn
4. Cumquat

5. They would be able to summon daemons within there area of influence but thats about it. or not. the warp is cray

Daemons cannot normally leave the Warp anyway. Daemon Princes are no exception.

1 if a Chaos space marine is already possessed can he become a prince?

according to Tome of Decay, an RPG supplement for Black Crusade by FFG the answer to this question is "nope"

It's a third party supplement and thus you can argue the degree of cannon to it, but it's the closest thing to an offical answer out there

Leaving warp is difficult.

They can be summoned, can force incursions but as in first war of Armageddon they needed to keep a link to warp energy to exist.

BrianDavion wrote:

1 if a Chaos space marine is already possessed can he become a prince?

according to Tome of Decay, an RPG supplement for Black Crusade by FFG the answer to this question is "nope"

It's a third party supplement and thus you can argue the degree of cannon to it, but it's the closest thing to an offical answer out there

Since FFG is not a subsidiary of GW and writes whatever the feth they want into their RPG, it is as official as me saying something about 40K.

1) no sure answer, as someone mentioned, FFG has said no, but it's debatable how canon that is. The main codices haven't said anything on the subject.
2) Perfectly plausible. The Chaos Gods reward whoever they want. On Vraks, an adviser to the planetary governor who helped lead the planet to war got turned into a Nurgle Daemon Prince. He wasn't even a a Space Marine, just a normal human. He hadn't been serving Chaos for thousands of years, that's for sure.
3) All daemons have difficulty staying "stable" in real space. If the warp ebbs too much or they get too damaged, they'll fade back to the Warp. This doesn't mean that all Daemon Princes spend are content to sit back in the Warp. Many lead big campaigns in real space and wreck face. There's also plenty of fighting in the Warp. The Big Four are constantly sending their daemons against each other.
4) Doesn't matter. See #2. The Chaos Gods will gladly grant daemonhood to either one, if they're having a good day.

BrianDavion wrote:

1 if a Chaos space marine is already possessed can he become a prince?

according to Tome of Decay, an RPG supplement for Black Crusade by FFG the answer to this question is "nope"

It's a third party supplement and thus you can argue the degree of cannon to it, but it's the closest thing to an offical answer out there

Considering a possible future of Argel Tal, a possessed Chaos Marine, was becoming a Daemon Prince there is in fact another answer out there. One that's less stupid, IMO.

FFG's restriction can be viewed as due to mechanics and game balance, since it gives the character power, there has to be a trade-off somewhere to keep things interesting and balanced for the other characters.

In actual background, I do not think there is this restriction. If a Chaos god chooses to elevate a champion to daemon prince, it does so and short of another god intervening directly, I do not see anything stopping it. In the original Realms of Chaos book from the 1980's, one way out for a non-Nurgle champion infected with Nurgle's Rot was to become a daemon prince, since the act of becoming a daemon prince (and having one's soul effectively owned by one's patron god) would break Nurgle's hold. The only other way out of the incurable Nurgle's Rot was to die before the Rot had consumed the soul and turned the champion to a Plaguebearer daemon.