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The wearer of Da Finkin’ Kap generates an additional Warlord Trait from the Strategic Traits table in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules. If the additional trait is the same as the first trait
they generated, roll again until a different trait is generated.

Ideal Mission Commander: If this Detachment is chosen as your Primary Detachment, you can choose to re-roll the result on the Warlord Trait table.

Can I use Ideal Mission Commander to reroll the second Warlord trait as well?
Can I roll the additional warlord trait first?

Can I use Ideal Mission Commander to reroll the second Warlord trait as well?

No, you may never re-roll a re-roll unless specifically told you can. Da Finkin' Kap, as far as I can tell from what you've stated, allows you to re-roll the additional (second) trait generated from its ability until it is a different from your first Warlord trait, thus giving permission to re-roll a re-roll..

Can I roll the additional warlord trait first?

No. If you roll for "Da Finkin' Kap" first, you have not rolled an additional Warlord Trait.

 sn0zcumb3r wrote:
Can I use Ideal Mission Commander to reroll the second Warlord trait as well?

I see nothing to prevent you from doing that.

 sn0zcumb3r wrote:
Can I roll the additional warlord trait first?

I think that you are meant to re-roll the results of any single dice roll before moving on to another dice roll, although I can't see anything in the rules which actually requires you to do so. I'm leaning towards 'no', but I'm not certain.

So here's HIWPI.

Step 1: roll Warlord trait. If you like it, move to step 2. If you dont, move to step 1a.
Step 1a: Use Ideal Mission Commander to re-roll if you dont like it.

Step 2: Roll 2nd warlord trait from da finkin cap.
Step 2a: If you didnt use the Ideal Mission Commander in Step 1a, you may use it now.
Step 2b: If you did use the reroll in step1a, and this roll is the same as the one you selected, then you may reroll, since you cant have the same trait twice.

 sn0zcumb3r wrote:
Can I use Ideal Mission Commander to reroll the second Warlord trait as well?

Definitely.

 sn0zcumb3r wrote:
Can I roll the additional warlord trait first?

Your goal is to roll for "Master of Ambush", and if you get it to switch to rolling on a different table for your 2nd warlord trait. Like Personal. I don't see RAW that prevent this, but would submit that is probably not RAI. This sort of rules interpretation can lead to negative feelings within your gaming group, so I would generally avoid it. If you are going to a tourney, get written (email printed out) permission from the TO before trying to do this.

I would say you can't roll your free trait first because it's an 'additional' trait - it needs something to be additional to and has rules if you roll the same as your 'proper' trait; meaning you need to have rolled for your 'proper' trait first.

a) Roll your main trait.
b) Reroll it with ideal mission commander if wished.
c) Roll your additional trait (strategic only)
d) If it's the same, you must reroll it until you get something different, even if this takes multiple rerolls. You can't then reroll it again.
e) If it wasn't the same, you can reroll it with ideal mission commander if wished. There is no prohibition on using ideal mission commander multiple times, and there are several characters with access to multiple rolls on the tables predating 7th edition so I'd have thought they'd be explicit if they meant to be.
f) if you use ideal mission commander and rolled the same trait, you must reroll it until you get something different, even if this takes multiple rerolls.

I don't think it matters which is rolled first.. no rules to support it either way.. so it would be player choice.

By saying "additional" it implies second. Otherwise it could've used a word like "another."

Indeed. If you have no WT to begin with, this cannot be your additional one - it would be your first one

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Indeed. If you have no WT to begin with, this cannot be your additional one - it would be your first one

I read it in quite the opposite way. To me 'additional' means one more in addition to whatever you have already which can be zero, one, two or whatever. 'Another' would mean that you had to have at least one to start with.