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Not that any of our users would intentionally engage in quote-pyramids or anything, but it'd be occasionally very useful if quotes over a certain line count would be auto-spoilered.

That's a fantastic idea. Surprised no one's thought of it before.


Also, to add to Janthkin's idea. Could pictures maybe be automatically disabled in pyramids of 3 or more? Or something to that effect.

 Janthkin wrote:
Not that any of our users would intentionally engage in quote-pyramids or anything, but it'd be occasionally very useful if quotes over a certain line count would be auto-spoilered.

Yup, this would be awesome. Although I would add any quote that includes an image, if that were at all possible.

Maybe when making a quote pyramid just spoiler everything but the last post or two quoted?

 Janthkin wrote:
Not that any of our users would intentionally engage in quote-pyramids or anything, but it'd be occasionally very useful if quotes over a certain line count would be auto-spoilered.

I would love this so hard.

Also, if more than 2 images are being quoted, spoiler those bitches.

I support this IF it could be keyed off of the degree of nesting quotes or the size/number of images. Pure text walls should not be auto-spoilered IMO.

 Manchu wrote:
I support this IF it could be keyed off of the degree of nesting quotes or the size/number of images. Pure text walls should not be auto-spoilered IMO.

The ones that really bother me are the one-line responses left after quoting someone else's master's thesis.

Oooh those gak me up the wall they do.

Especially if it's something banal like "lol" or "agreed".

I fear it is hard to avoid false positives doing this. While it is annoying when it happens, a one-size-fits-all solution wont work as it is quite a pain to do detail detection on walls of text as I need something I can express as a regular expression for it to run smoothly.

It might be possible to detect the size of a quote when a user submits a post and give a popup similar to the thread necromancy that says they are quoting a lot of text and saying very little themselves, and that they should potentially trim or spoiler the quote as a result. Would that be worth trying?

Definitely!

I agree here. It gets awkward when your screen goes out-of-size, and you have to scroll through things you've already read multiple times over.

 legoburner wrote:
I fear it is hard to avoid false positives doing this. While it is annoying when it happens, a one-size-fits-all solution wont work as it is quite a pain to do detail detection on walls of text as I need something I can express as a regular expression for it to run smoothly.

It might be possible to detect the size of a quote when a user submits a post and give a popup similar to the thread necromancy that says they are quoting a lot of text and saying very little themselves, and that they should potentially trim or spoiler the quote as a result. Would that be worth trying?

No way of counting characters between quote tags?

What about on the other side of the problem? Any way to add logic so that a spoiler tag is inserted after character 200 or so in the original quote? Or, since each Quote link is unique to the post being quoted, some way to pre-seed the editor with spoilers when the quote link in question refers to a post over a certain length?

You could have a button that spoilers all but the last quote?

No detection etc. Have a message that says the quote is big, please use the (magic button) for courtesy and have the magic button do what the above are after?

I dont know...

 legoburner wrote:
I fear it is hard to avoid false positives doing this. While it is annoying when it happens, a one-size-fits-all solution wont work as it is quite a pain to do detail detection on walls of text as I need something I can express as a regular expression for it to run smoothly.

What flavor of regex? I might be able to whip something up.
You should be able to count the number of quote pairs relatively easily and spoiler if it's over 3 or so, and spoiler every image in a quote?
And then a separate one to count the number of characters in a quote and if it's too large, spoiler it (because of the one line responses to a thesis).

It might be possible to detect the size of a quote when a user submits a post and give a popup similar to the thread necromancy that says they are quoting a lot of text and saying very little themselves, and that they should potentially trim or spoiler the quote as a result. Would that be worth trying?

I'd say definitely this at a minimum.

I started using the spoiler button when stuff just seemed to me too big.
You may want to add it as "best practices" to the rules for the site.
Some people just don't think of these things but will do it when their attention is drawn to it.
Want to allow MOD's to insert these where applicable?

rigeld2 wrote:

 legoburner wrote:
I fear it is hard to avoid false positives doing this. While it is annoying when it happens, a one-size-fits-all solution wont work as it is quite a pain to do detail detection on walls of text as I need something I can express as a regular expression for it to run smoothly.

What flavor of regex? I might be able to whip something up.
You should be able to count the number of quote pairs relatively easily and spoiler if it's over 3 or so, and spoiler every image in a quote?
And then a separate one to count the number of characters in a quote and if it's too large, spoiler it (because of the one line responses to a thesis).

It might be possible to detect the size of a quote when a user submits a post and give a popup similar to the thread necromancy that says they are quoting a lot of text and saying very little themselves, and that they should potentially trim or spoiler the quote as a result. Would that be worth trying?

I'd say definitely this at a minimum.

Writing a regex is not the problem, the problem is that the only way to insert the spoiler code is through a nasty mash of code that effectively only allows a single regex to be evaluated, so counting characters is out without massive modifications to the post formatting system. It has just not been designed in a way that allows a lot of playing and content evaluation.

I'm fairly opposed to it for a couple of other reasons as well - first off it adds hidden rules to formatting and the quote code is already really over the top and rough, and is commonly broken by users. Adding an automated spoiler that they dont want to have there will just lead to more broken quotes as they attempt to remove it incorrectly. Secondly, there is no way to detect context. A massive quote from 50 pages back in a thread (images and all) is a valuable thing to have if it has been ages since that content was discussed and some valid points are made regarding it. There are too many unknowns to make it worth implementing such a system so I think it wont happen, though the popup warning is possible.

 legoburner wrote:
Writing a regex is not the problem, the problem is that the only way to insert the spoiler code is through a nasty mash of code that effectively only allows a single regex to be evaluated

Ew.


That's fair. I wasn't trying to insinuate that you couldn't do it, just offering to help.

Not a big deal - and I disagree that a massive quote from 50 pages ago needs to be unspoilered. Massive quotes are massive quotes.

rigeld2 wrote:

That's fair. I wasn't trying to insinuate that you couldn't do it, just offering to help.

No such insinuation taken, any offers to divide effort are always appreciated