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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 20:53:09
Subject: Multiple Chapter Tactics in an Unbound List?
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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As the topic, can I have multiple Chapter Tactics in an Unbound army list?
For example...
Tactical Squad A (Ultramarines)
Tactical Squad B (Imperial Fists)
misc. others.
Does it matter who the Warlord is?
I'm thinking that if the Warlord is NOT from Codex Space Marines that I would be able to have multiple Chapter Tactics... but if he IS, I would be limited to his alone.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 20:59:17
Subject: Multiple Chapter Tactics in an Unbound List?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The wording of chapter tactics (which is the same in the 7th ed FAQ) is that you select chapter tactics for a 'detachment'
Unbound lists don't use detachments. Therefore, they cannot have chapter tactics.
This is surprising... Automatically Appended Next Post: Possible exemption: For unbound - once you choose your warlord, every model in your army that has the same Faction, as your warlord is considered to be part of the primary detachment for all purposes.
However this ruling does not explicitly permit the use of chapter tactics (but could be inferred) and certainly doesn't permit different chapter tactics.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 21:02:29
Subject: Multiple Chapter Tactics in an Unbound List?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Not quite true.
Any model of the same faction as the Warlord is considered to be in the "Primary Detachment"
Plus unbound can use Formations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 21:10:42
Subject: Multiple Chapter Tactics in an Unbound List?
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Fixture of Dakka
Vanished Completely
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Which brings us back to the question I still wonder on: Does the 'Primary Detachment' trigger all Detachment related Rules, or just those rules which single out a Primary Detachment? There is a little bit of headaches occurring if I think on the Primary Detachment triggering all Detachment related Rules, such as the requirement that a Model belongs to only one Detachment at a time....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 22:50:13
Subject: Multiple Chapter Tactics in an Unbound List?
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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The problem with only limiting it to one chapter tactic for unbound is special characters though (since they can only be used with certain chapter tactics).
You certainly have to have at least one chapter tactic because of the codex requiring it.
Im gonna go with you can make any unit, any CT you want. This is because Games Workshop wanted unbound to be used as a way to represent ultimate fluff matchups.
It would be awsome to, for example, see an unbound force of say 1 CM from each of the original founding chapters linked up together to go up againgst some necron overlords and their courts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/03 05:48:19
Subject: Multiple Chapter Tactics in an Unbound List?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It could be awesome and fluffy.
or you could have iron hands vehicles, white scars bikers, raptors tacticals all lead by tigurius and khan. Unfluffy nonsense.
Id keep it at one chapter tactic, is line with the rules (sort of)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/03 10:54:41
Subject: Re:Multiple Chapter Tactics in an Unbound List?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Holy Emperor...
This is a mess.
Tiggy can only be in a detachment with CT Ultrasmurfs.
Khan... I think he's Whitescars? (I don't hear about him often).
Since you must choose a "primary detachment" (see unbound forces from the rulebook), you could bring one or the other, and your "Primary" detachment would be that CT.
That's it, going by how the rules are for the moment. (unless I missed something).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/03 13:23:29
Subject: Multiple Chapter Tactics in an Unbound List?
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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So, I went back and reread everything and here is how I THINK it works.
When selecting an Unbound army you don't actually have any detachments at all. Your Warlord's faction determines what faction you count as the primary detachment should a rule reference primary detachment.
Chapter Tactics only comes into play when selecting models for a detachment. Since you're never selecting models for a detachment when going Unbound, you never actually select Chapter Tactics.
So, I'm thinking you should be able to have as many models of whatever kind you want, but none of them will get Chapter Tactics as this is something you get when you're in a Space Marine Detachment. When playing Unbound, you're never actually in a Space Marine Detachment.
If I chose Marneus as my Warlord, my Primary Detachment would be considered Space Marines should a rule reference my Primary Detachment, but Marneus wouldn't actually have access to his own Chapter Tactics since he's not actually in a Detachment.
I suspect strongly that if the Space Marine 'Dex had been written for 7th we would have seen Chapter Tactics clearly tied to a Space Marine Detachment. Automatically Appended Next Post: It's important to note that Chapter Tactics never mentions Primary Detachment, so it doesn't care that my imaginary Primary Detachment might count as Space Marines.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/03 18:52:17
Subject: Multiple Chapter Tactics in an Unbound List?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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See, you are correct, but that is kinda dumb. Calgar leads his elite force of jsut honour guard into the fray- but they forget they are ultramarines... doh But then unbound is pretty dumb as well.
I guess its also the case for space marine formations?
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