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I'm looking for ways to continue using Purifiers with the new codex.

I took a GK force to NOVA this year which included:

Crowe
5 Purifiers w/ 2 psycannons, 1 hammer and Rhino
5 Purifiers w/ 2 psycannons, 1 halberd and Rhino
5 Purifiers w/ 2 psycannons, 1 hammer, 1 halberd and Rhino
Stormraven w/ H. Bolters
Dreadknight w/ HI, PT and GS
Dreadknight w/ HI, PT and GS
Knight Errant

Keep in mind this was using the old GK codex. It did pretty well with a 4 - 2 record but the star of the show was Cleansing Flame. A lot people didn't quite realize it's potential and underestimated it.

Over the course of 6 games Cleansing Flame alone killed...2 Hive Crones, 2 Night Scythes and several Immortals, many various Space Marines (including an entire 5 man of Sternguard when I rolled 12 hits), 3 small units of AM, a Crimson Hunter and 2 small units of Dire Avengers (after I cracked open their transports).

So now those same Purifier squads cost 20 points more and Crowe doesn't make them Troops. I have a Librarian and 5 Terminators to kill out the NSF but will Purifiers continue to work as they did before or do I need to rethink how I play them? During NOVA they were great for sitting on objectives and destroying anything that came near. When their Rhinos died I simply hid them behind the Rhinos while shooting what I could with Psycannons. What should I do now?

How does cleansing flame kill a night scythe? I guess I better look up cleansing flame's rules....

Ok, I just read the rules on that...how does cleansing flame take out scythes?

It's a nova power that hits all units within 9" including flyers (check the big rulebook, it even says it hits flyers specifically). I had two units of Purifiers sitting close to each other on objectives. He flew in with a NightScythe and unloaded 10 Immortals. Took out both my Rhinos but my Purifiers were safely hiding out of LOS behind the wrecks. I moved them out a little and hit the Nightscythe with double cleansing flame. Since Cleansing Flame ignore cover, he couldn't jink and all I needed was 3 glancing hits on a 6 to take it out. I then charged the Immortals.

After that another Nightscythe arrived with 10 more immortals. He killed one of the purifier units. On my turn I used Cleansing Flame again and had a lucky roll of 11 hits which caused 3 glances. Then charged the new unit of Immortals and cut them down after winning combat. It was a pretty devestating loss for him.

Zimko wrote:
It's a nova power that hits all units within 9" including flyers (check the big rulebook, it even says it hits flyers specifically). I had two units of Purifiers sitting close to each other on objectives. He flew in with a NightScythe and unloaded 10 Immortals. Took out both my Rhinos but my Purifiers were safely hiding out of LOS behind the wrecks. I moved them out a little and hit the Nightscythe with double cleansing flame. Since Cleansing Flame ignore cover, he couldn't jink and all I needed was 3 glancing hits on a 6 to take it out. I then charged the Immortals.

After that another Nightscythe arrived with 10 more immortals. He killed one of the purifier units. On my turn I used Cleansing Flame again and had a lucky roll of 11 hits which caused 3 glances. Then charged the new unit of Immortals and cut them down after winning combat. It was a pretty devestating loss for him.

How are you you shooting at one unit, and then charging a separate unit?

Also you said you were running the old Codex so you should be using the codex cleansing flame not the new one.

I'd actually be more concerned about the psycannons. I have had those things down a number of my flyers :(

 Dashofpepper wrote:

Zimko wrote:
It's a nova power that hits all units within 9" including flyers (check the big rulebook, it even says it hits flyers specifically). I had two units of Purifiers sitting close to each other on objectives. He flew in with a NightScythe and unloaded 10 Immortals. Took out both my Rhinos but my Purifiers were safely hiding out of LOS behind the wrecks. I moved them out a little and hit the Nightscythe with double cleansing flame. Since Cleansing Flame ignore cover, he couldn't jink and all I needed was 3 glancing hits on a 6 to take it out. I then charged the Immortals.

After that another Nightscythe arrived with 10 more immortals. He killed one of the purifier units. On my turn I used Cleansing Flame again and had a lucky roll of 11 hits which caused 3 glances. Then charged the new unit of Immortals and cut them down after winning combat. It was a pretty devestating loss for him.

How are you you shooting at one unit, and then charging a separate unit?

Cleansing flame is a psychic power, it doesn't matter what target it had. (In this case none, since it's a nova power)

 necron99 wrote:
Also you said you were running the old Codex so you should be using the codex cleansing flame not the new one.

I'd actually be more concerned about the psycannons. I have had those things down a number of my flyers :(

The NOVA OPEN event allowed the old codex with the 7th edition FAQ. The FAQ removed all the codex powers and gave Grey Knights new ones from the BRB. Purifiers were given Cleansing Flame from the BRB. The new codex powers are exactly the same.

Yeah psycannons would be a threat but since I needed to charge the Immortals I had to use the psycannons on them. With the new codex I can't do this because Psycannons are now salvo. I'm thinking I might not use special weapons on Purifiers anymore. I'm really not sure how to use Purifiers with the new codex.


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Also, the fact that so many don't know or understand nova powers (it's very new) is why I caught so many opponents off guard at the event. The tyranid player had no idea what the new Cleansing Flame did and flew his fliers too close to my purifiers. One Cleansing Flame is usually enough to kill a Hive Crone or Harpy.

I like the look of purifiers, but they still feel like a lot of points for marines. The rhino lets you get into position for cleansing flame sure, but its a lot less reliable than guns (pass psychic test, enemy fails deny the witch... need enough warp charge... )
and then.. you still have 3+ armour marines in an AV11/10 tank. I dunno, they don't feel strong enough.

Cleansing Flame is actually pretty reliable to cast. The only time it has been denied was when I used it on Tyranids while a Hive Tyrant was in range. The Hive Tyrant was able to deny on 4+ due to being a ML2 psyker while the Purifiers were ML 1. Now Purifiers are ML2 so that shouldn't be as much an issue.

I was thinking of putting Purifiers in Drop Pods via Space Wolves detachment.

It seems like a horrible violation of fluff so I'm hoping newer codexes for Space Marine factions come out that will give more Fast Attack drop pod options.

5 Purifiers with a hammer, 3 halberds and an incinerator is 141 points I think while a drop pod is 35?

I was reading the rules for nova powers and it says they are shooting attacks? So if i cast it does this mean my purifiers dont get to shoot?

Kyck24 wrote:
I was reading the rules for nova powers and it says they are shooting attacks? So if i cast it does this mean my purifiers dont get to shoot?

No, it just means you allocate hits/wounds like a shooting attack. You can still do everything normally in the following Shooting/Assault phases. For example if your Purifiers are in a Rhino and they cast Cleansing Flame, you can still move the Rhino and extra 6" in the shooting phase or fire your weapons out of the firepoint.

But witchfire powers replace your shooting attack? The pyschic phase is convuluted.

Kyck24 wrote:
But witchfire powers replace your shooting attack? The pyschic phase is convuluted.

The psychic phase is convoluted agreed. No witchfires do not replace your shooting attack. You can make 3 witchfire attacks (assuming you have that many unique witchfire powers) with the same psyker targeting 3 different targets and still shoot in the shooting phase and assault during the assault phase. The Psychic Phase has no restrictions on moving/shooting/assaulting and there are no restrictions on targeting or casting powers other than the number of warp charges you have and how many powers your psykers know.