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Hello, guys.
I have a little misunderstanding with my friends. Please, tell my, will Heavy and Super Heavy vehicles fire Snap Shots after RAM or not?
   
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Never Forget Isstvan!






you need to look at the Thunderblitz rule for super heavies.

The Heavy rule does not change anything under Tank shock or Ramming attacks i think, not sure though.

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Massachussetts

There is no mention in the ruels for Heavy or Super-Heavy about Tank Shock or Thunderblitz affecting shooting
   
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Fresh-Faced New User




"This means that it, and any embarked troops, may only shoot Snap Shots in that turn’s Shooting phase" - RAM rule. But Heavy and Super Heavy treated as stationary for shooting. So, after RAM can I fire with full BS or not?
   
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Badass "Sister Sin"






Camas, WA

Heavy doesn't override the snap shots. If the ram rule said 'counts as having moved cruising speed', then it might, but it doesn't.

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Englandia

Roadwind wrote:
"This means that it, and any embarked troops, may only shoot Snap Shots in that turn’s Shooting phase" - RAM rule. But Heavy and Super Heavy treated as stationary for shooting. So, after RAM can I fire with full BS or not?


I'm unsure with Super Heavy, but as for heavy; you would not.
Heavy Vehicles count as stationary for shooting. Ramming forces you to fire snap shots.
The difference between ramming and moving is that ramming doesn't tell you to fire as if you had moved. Ramming tells you to fire snap shots, it doesn't care how far you moved.

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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker





Hive Moscow

When a Super-heavy vehicle makes a shooting attack, it is always treated as if it had remained stationary in the Movement phase (even if it actually moved), and it may fire each of its weapons at different targets if desired. In addition, firing Ordnance weapons has no effect on a Super-heavy vehicle’s ability to fire other weapons.

Super-heavy vehicles may Tank Shock or Ram. When they do so, roll once on the Thunderblitz table immediately before taking the Morale check for the unit being Tank Shocked, or immediately before rolling for armour penetration when performing a Ram.
Do not roll on the Thunderblitz table when Tank Shocking a Gargantuan Creature or Flying Gargantuan Creature, or when Ramming a Super-heavy vehicle or Super-heavy Walker. Instead, simply carry out the Tank Shock or Ram as normal.
   
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So, Darog, how this affects on RAM? BTW, you can answer on this question on Warforge, yep.

The question is - does RAM count as move or not.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




Ramming IS a move. It states it is. As such, while they HAVE moved, the more specific rule means the embarked units would snapfire, as would the vehicle.
   
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Regular Dakkanaut




To further clarify... When the vehicle rams, there are two reasons it must fire snapshots, the first is because it moved and is subject to the limitations that imposes (dependant on how far it moved and how many guns it wants to fire), the second is because it rammed.

The heavy and super-heavy rules override 1 of these restrictions, but as written have no effect on the other.
   
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chanceafs wrote:
To further clarify... When the vehicle rams, there are two reasons it must fire snapshots, the first is because it moved and is subject to the limitations that imposes (dependant on how far it moved and how many guns it wants to fire), the second is because it rammed.

The heavy and super-heavy rules override 1 of these restrictions, but as written have no effect on the other.


What he said.

Specific always overrules generic.

Generic rule: Heavy and Super Heavies fire as stationary when moving.

Specific Rule: A subset of moving, being a ram, is treated differently and requires snapshots.

   
 
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