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Can an invisible unit be hit by wall of death ? I think yes, others think no, what do you think and why?

Wall of Death causes automatic hits. Since the only requirement is to Snap Shot, and nothing restricts auto-hits from effecting when snap shooting, then yes, Wall of Death still works. As well as a blast that scatters or template that extends into the unit.

That answers my nexr question too, but just to be sure I will say it anyway. If you place a blast at another unit and some invisible models are under it, do they get hit? I guess yes.

Yes, as they were not targeted. This also means they cannot Jink, if eligible.

Hmmm they cannot declare jink true, they could still get the save if they had already jinked though.

 Happyjew wrote:
Since the only requirement is to Snap Shot

Template Weapons, Special Rule: "Template weapons cannot fire Snap Shots."

Wall of Death: "Template Weapons can fire Overwatch, even though they cannot fire Snap Shots."

Invisibility says you can only fire Snap Shots. If you can't even fire, doesn't matter whether it automatically hits. No, you can't fire a template weapon at an Invisible unit on Overwatch.

Wall of Death takes precedence over the Invisibility rule if the unit with flamers is being assaulted by the invisible unit.

Wall of Death is specifically for Overwatch and notes that even though they cant fire Snap Shots which Invisbility requires, they can still overwatch, and hit automatically

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Wall of Death takes precedence over the Invisibility rule if the unit with flamers is being assaulted by the by the invisible unit.

There is no rules support for that statement.

The rules you posted supports it

Wall of Death: "Template Weapons can fire Overwatch, even though they cannot fire Snap Shots."

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
The rules you posted supports it

Wall of Death: "Template Weapons can fire Overwatch, even though they cannot fire Snap Shots."

No it doesn't. It doesn't say that Wall of Death overrides Invisibility. To shoot an assaulting Invisible unit, you have to able to do two things, make Snap Shots and fire Overwatch. If you can't do both, you can't shoot them.

You are aware the only way to Overwatch is to snap shot unless something gives you permission otherwise

Your reasoning would mean a flamer could never Overwatch since it cant snap shot, even though a flamer has permission to Overwatch per the Wall of Death rule.

Being invisible is irrelevant. You're not shooting at the unit, you're using the weapon's rule to Overwatch, which hits automatically.

Hitting Automatically bypasses Invisibility.

WrentheFaceless is right about this one. While flamers cannot snap shoot, Overwatch is a special maneuver that normally requires snap shots, but in the case of flamers, are recorded as auto hits. Overwatch is not specifically snap shooting, it is Overwatch. A model that fires a special kind of Overwatch does so regardless of what is assaulting it. Wall of Death>Invisibility.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
You are aware the only way to Overwatch is to snap shot unless something gives you permission otherwise

Your reasoning would mean a flamer could never Overwatch since it cant snap shot, even though a flamer has permission to Overwatch per the Wall of Death rule.

Being invisible is irrelevant. You're not shooting at the unit, you're using the weapon's rule to Overwatch, which hits automatically.

Hitting Automatically bypasses Invisibility.

No. My argument is that it overrides the Overwatch requirement to Snap Shot because it specifically says so, but it does not override the requirement to Snap Shot at an Invisible unit because it does not specifically say it can. It can't shoot them in the Shooting phase. An interpretation that makes it more effective on Overwatch is incorrect.

Yes, it cant shoot in the shooting phase, but its special rule allows it to Overwatch, and does D3 automatic hits.

Post rules that say Invisibility negates the Wall of Death rule.

Wall of Death is a special rule. The weapon is not firing, therefore Invisibility has no bearing no it.

I thought Invisibility didn't allow you to fire overwatch? Don't have access to my book at the moment.

'Wall of Death' is a snap shot, specific to template weapons when fired on Overwatch.

it is ghaz, but all they see is "has to snap shot" and "template weapons cannot be snap shot". They fail to understand that the "wall of death" special rule is the thing actually generating the D3 hits and not the flamer itself.

Looked it up. It appears you can now use counterattack against Invisible units. Also, contrary to what I was told, invisibility does not confer immunity to overwatch. Must have been a house rule.

Fragile wrote:
Wall of Death is a special rule. The weapon is not firing, therefore Invisibility has no bearing no it.

The first sentence under Wall of Death says otherwise.

Eihnlazer wrote:
it is ghaz, but all they see is "has to snap shot" and "template weapons cannot be snap shot". They fail to understand that the "wall of death" special rule is the thing actually generating the D3 hits and not the flamer itself.

Second sentence of Wall of Death says otherwise.

Look at it this way. If someone is using a flamer, you are running headlong into a wall of flame whether they know you're there or not.

Angelic wrote:

Fragile wrote:
Wall of Death is a special rule. The weapon is not firing, therefore Invisibility has no bearing no it.

The first sentence under Wall of Death says otherwise.

Eihnlazer wrote:
it is ghaz, but all they see is "has to snap shot" and "template weapons cannot be snap shot". They fail to understand that the "wall of death" special rule is the thing actually generating the D3 hits and not the flamer itself.

Second sentence of Wall of Death says otherwise.

First sentence.

""Template weapons can fire Overwatch, even though they cannot fire Snap Shots.""

Again, the rule is applying hits, not the weapon. Otherwise you would place the template and count hits, which you do not.

From 'Resolve Overwatch':

Any shots fired as Overwatch can only be fired as Snap Shots.

From 'Wall of Death':

Template weapons can fire Overwatch, even though they cannot fire snap shots.

So again, template weapons can fire Overwatch using the 'Wall of Death' rule. This makes 'Wall of Death' a special type of Snap Shot since any shot fired as Overwatch can only be fired as Snap Shots.

 Ghaz wrote:
From 'Resolve Overwatch':

Any shots fired as Overwatch can only be fired as Snap Shots.

From 'Wall of Death':

Template weapons can fire Overwatch, even though they cannot fire snap shots.

So again, template weapons can fire Overwatch using the 'Wall of Death' rule. This makes 'Wall of Death' a special type of Snap Shot since any shot fired as Overwatch can only be fired as Snap Shots.

I disagree. It is explicitly not a snap shot. It is a special rule that applies to overwatch.

It is a specific type of Snap Shot, as noted by the words fire/fired in both of the rules I quoted above.

I agree. It is a specific type of snap shot. One that hits automatically and overides the rule preventing templates being able to snap shot.

Fragile wrote:


Again, the rule is applying hits, not the weapon. Otherwise you would place the template and count hits, which you do not.

So, when the rule says that when the WEAPON FIRES OVERWATCH, IT [the weapon] inflicts D3 hits, you are saying it's not the weapon inflicting hits? Even though the rule explicitly says it is? Wow.

#1 If the weapon is not inflicting D3 hits, at what S and AP do we resolve the attack at?

#2 There are 2 seperate restrictions here. It has been shown how Wall of Death overides the Overwatch restriction. Where in the rule does it overide the invisibility retriction?

It overrides it because Wall of Death is a specific type of Snap Shot that a Template weapon can use when firing Overwatch.

Can you give a rule quote on that? From what has been posted it is a special type of attack that is usable during Overwatch.