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St celestine and take a paladin/errant Imperial knight and give it IWND first turn. That is what I'm gonna be doing with the formation.

Also since dedicated transports count as the same choice as what they are DT's for does this mean they too can come back on 5+ if they are killed? If so, then not only do the bss come back but immo/rhinos or even repressors come back too as long as they were taken for the troops.

Still can't put sisters in drop pods. :(

Question: Does a unit coming back from Flock to the Front Lines return with it's dedicated transport if it had one or would it just be foot slogging?

Oberron wrote:
St celestine and take a paladin/errant Imperial knight and give it IWND first turn. That is what I'm gonna be doing with the formation.

Also since dedicated transports count as the same choice as what they are DT's for does this mean they too can come back on 5+ if they are killed? If so, then not only do the bss come back but immo/rhinos or even repressors come back too as long as they were taken for the troops.

Celestine's Saintly Blessing buff only works on non-vehicle units, so that means you're only giving IWND to Calgar and Dante and the likes. Still alright I guess, especially since its for the rest of the battle unlike the others, but nothing over the top.

I was personally thinking of taking a Stormlord, sticking it next to a prometheum relay and having some heavy flamer doms onboard. Heck, the tank can even move in front of the pipes and set up in the middle of the board to allow those rending torrents to really go far.

Also the anti-deep strike relic would make quite the bubble while embarked (and save you from having to bubble-wrap the tank)

i didn't think that Desvalle's Holy Circle would have any effect while embarked thanks to the FAQ.

Drider wrote:
i didn't think that Desvalle's Holy Circle would have any effect while embarked thanks to the FAQ.

Oh maybe... I haven't really been paying attention for awhile. If so, that makes the plan less good. Still, the Stormlord should be almost as hard to remove Celestine.

Waaaghpower wrote:
Question:
How does all of this interact, faction-wise? If it's all being taken as a single detachment, how is that going to change the way that tanks and battle brothers work? (Is this just a continuation of the IA argument?)

This detachment doesn't change your faction, so no transport sharing.


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Mavnas wrote:
I was personally thinking of taking a Stormlord, sticking it next to a prometheum relay and having some heavy flamer doms onboard. Heck, the tank can even move in front of the pipes and set up in the middle of the board to allow those rending torrents to really go far.

Also the anti-deep strike relic would make quite the bubble while embarked (and save you from having to bubble-wrap the tank)

Doms can't take heavy flamers. You mean Rets?


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Oberron wrote:
Also since dedicated transports count as the same choice as what they are DT's for does this mean they too can come back on 5+ if they are killed? If so, then not only do the bss come back but immo/rhinos or even repressors come back too as long as they were taken for the troops.

Yes.


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 GoonBandito wrote:
Celestine's Saintly Blessing buff only works on non-vehicle units, so that means you're only giving IWND to Calgar and Dante and the likes. Still alright I guess, especially since its for the rest of the battle unlike the others, but nothing over the top.

I missed that caveat.

In response to my own question.

The dedi transport sections on page 120 and on page 82 in the BRB.

The only relevant information i can find to the current topic is that a dedi transport gains the faction and FOC slot of the unit buying it.

according to that the logical conclusion is that... say you pop a rhino as a dedi transport for a troop, it is itself a troop and you'd be able to roll for it coming back on a 5+. so... in theory, with good rolls, we could have infinitly respawning immolators.
But i believe it is considered to be a separate unit. which makes it a bit of a pain in the arse because you'd have empty transports and foot slogging units coming back as I don't believe they'd be able to 'embark' while in ongoing reserves.

Drider wrote:
In response to my own question.

The dedi transport sections on page 120 and on page 82 in the BRB.

The only relevant information i can find to the current topic is that a dedi transport gains the faction and FOC slot of the unit buying it.

according to that the logical conclusion is that... say you pop a rhino as a dedi transport for a troop, it is itself a troop and you'd be able to roll for it coming back on a 5+. so... in theory, with good rolls, we could have infinitly respawning immolators.
But i believe it is considered to be a separate unit. which makes it a bit of a pain in the arse because you'd have empty transports and foot slogging units coming back as I don't believe they'd be able to 'embark' while in ongoing reserves.

Yes, they would be empty. The best you could do is embark when they are on the board. So if they both died, roll the Immo on first, then walk the BSS into embarkation range.

side note, the caveat about dedi transports gaining the Faction and FOC of the unit buying it. shuts down any of the questioning about Inq taking other factions units as dedi transports and not being able to start in them as it's completely wrong.

Drider wrote:
side note, the caveat about dedi transports gaining the Faction and FOC of the unit buying it. shuts down any of the questioning about Inq taking other factions units as dedi transports and not being able to start in them as it's completely wrong.

Right, we covered that when CIA came out.

Can i say i was reiterating because i wasn't paying attention?

Oh man that FAQ makes the Stormlord pretty terrible. Looks like I couldn't start with non-IG units inside?

Also, I assume the embarked units wouldn't count as being within range of various AOE buffs like being prometheum relay pipes or ammo dumps or Celestine's new stuff/beacon.

I don't believe they overruled them.m being in range of external effects.

The FAQ says the embarked units count as being off the table with some exceptions.

I'm really pissed about the 'No new Celestine at LVO' ruling.

 deviantduck wrote:
I'm really pissed about the 'No new Celestine at LVO' ruling.

It's too close to the event. I'm not surprised.

 GoonBandito wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:
I'm also excited because I converted my Coteaz to Courtneaz, and I have her riding atop a giant 2 headed cardinal... and i've played 1 game with her.

I know this is the Sisters thread, but pics!!

Anything that I create as an ally for my SoB gets gender reassignment. All my thundercav are ladies too. If it's not painfully obvious, I'm a St. Louis Cardinals fan. So Coteaz needed a redbird touch. I hate painting faces and I'm terrible at it, but I blame the terrible faces GW gave us as a palette. Because, obviously, it can't be my own lack of ability or skill.

All of those pictures are flagged as private

I can see them.

Strange.

I can access the flickr account and be impressed by beefed up Jacobus, but those pictures are private.

Oh well

I just switched them to public. Also, if you were the only guy to live your whole life surrounded by perfect celibate females, your arms would look like that too.

Hi all can we now put sister squads in drop pods if both the sisters and pods are from this new cad ?

Lordluke wrote:
Hi all can we now put sister squads in drop pods if both the sisters and pods are from this new cad ?

I assume its still faction dependent. Just because they are in one Formation doesnt change their Faction...unless it says so. I need to get this book in front of me. Maybe after the TSHFT major i will read it all and take it in more thoroughly.

 Jancoran wrote:

Lordluke wrote:
Hi all can we now put sister squads in drop pods if both the sisters and pods are from this new cad ?

I assume its still faction dependent. Just because they are in one Formation doesnt change their Faction...unless it says so. I need to get this book in front of me. Maybe after the TSHFT major i will read it all and take it in more thoroughly.

I agree with this. The Allied rules are triggered when different factions interact, regardless of what detachment they are in. I'd say still no Sisters in pods.

That said, this new combined detachment is awesome.

I might actually build a SM bike command squad with power weapons now that I can save points by not having to hide Celestine behind a chapter master. (I still feel she needs some T5 fast moving squad, except she* can be the one taking the hits now).

*Or well her bodyguards.

Mavnas wrote:
I might actually build a SM bike command squad with power weapons now that I can save points by not having to hide Celestine behind a chapter master. (I still feel she needs some T5 fast moving squad, except she* can be the one taking the hits now).

*Or well her bodyguards.

I'm curious about the timing. If she's in front, with the 2 guards behind, you take her 2+ save, roll a 1, then apply the wound to her guards. It seems silly to give them power armor and not just a 2+ as well. I guess if you intentionally want to kill them first with AP3, you can move around and put them between you and StC. It's an interesting new form of unit that will be a lot of fun.. after LVO. I'm still pissy.

I would imagine they'd take their saves. I actually dislike the rule. Even with LOS not being 100% reliable, I'd still rather have the flexibility to take S8 AP3 shots on Celestine herself. (With them not being EWs and all.) OTOH, they regenerate endlessly.

You have the flexibility to take them on her first. She rolls her save. If she fails, the Geminae takes the wound. If she doesn't, nothing happens.

You can also still LOS wounds to other models the same as normal. (A good reason to keep the geminae 6"+ away from Celestine and keep scrubs near her).

I suppose it really depends on the interpretation of "resolve any wounds suffered by celestine against the geminae superia closest to her instead."

Does that mean if St C takes a wound you take the wound off of the geminae?
Does it mean that if St C takes a s6 wound it bypasses her EW and automatically gibs the geminae, because it's double it's toughness?
Does it mean any wounds are resolved against the geminae's armour/invul save and toughness for the sake of instant death?

GW will have to FAQ it. Fortunately they were quite quick with the wrath of magnus FAQ, we can only hope that holds true for this as well.

As for the LOS and keeping the geminae 6"+ away, range doesn't really matter as Divine Guardians is not look out sir and isn't subject to the same range restrictions as LOS, it's just the closest Geminae who takes it.

It is a however a good reason to keep any 'escort unit' model closer to celestine than the geminae model so that you can LOS onto the escort unit. which is the gist of what pretre was saying.


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so...

Castellan's of the Imperium:
Celestine with a bike squad for majority toughness 5 and Coteaz for obsec on non-vehicle units. then just grab your 4 troops and spam out dominions.