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Ok so people have been telling me if a Herald of Nurgle riding a palanquin joins a unit of beast of Nurgle that i can not use look out sir to protect the herald and i cant seem to find the rule i have looked at the look out sir entry and all the unit entry's and no where does it say its not allowed am i missing something here?

Epi counts as Monstrous Cav (I belive) whereas Beasts are, as the name would imply, Beasts. AFAIK Epi has to join Drones to get the look out sir...

he can not join drones they are hovering (follows flying rules but cant match) and epi is not flying also this is a herald of nurgle not epi with a palanquin i am talking about the palanquin is a Monstrous beast but is being ridden by a herald that turns them into monstrous cav but beast of nurgle are monstrous beasts too if someone does find it can you direct me to the page in the BRB so i may see it for myself.

Epi counts as Monstrous Cav (I belive) whereas Beasts are, as the name would imply, Beasts. AFAIK Epi has to join Drones to get the look out sir...

What beast profile are you referring too because there are war beast's and monstrous beast's and on page 47 of the DoC army book beast of nurgle are monstrous beast's.

 japehlio wrote:
Epi counts as Monstrous Cav (I belive) whereas Beasts are, as the name would imply, Beasts. AFAIK Epi has to join Drones to get the look out sir...

Can't join units of flyers. The only monstrous cav are the skullcrushers, which he cannot join due to marks. He can sit near them and get a 4+ look out.




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 Kaligoth wrote:
What beast profile are you referring too because there are war beast's and monstrous beast's and on page 47 of the DoC army book beast of nurgle are monstrous beast's.

Characters mounted on a Monstrous Beast become Monstrous Cav.
Monstrous Cav and Monstrous Beasts are different unit types, so no look out between them.

-Matt

ah that's fair then but they can still join a unit together correct? its just the Locus of Contagion makes all there random attacks of 6 deal a auto wound resolved at S4 its funny because beasts are S4 anyway

Yes he can join the unit still. Just no look out sir.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yes he can join the unit still. Just no look out sir.

No look out, but the normal shooting hits are distributed evenly by the controlling playing.
If I stick the herald on palanquin into a unit of 4 beasts, and the wood elf player pours fire into them (scoring 21 hits for example), each beast takes 4 hits, the Herald takes 4 hits, and then I choose who takes the 21st hit (I choose the beast). The elf player then rolls to wound 17 times on the unit, and 4 times on the herald.
If the same unit goes up against empire, he fires his cannon into the herald, and the herald takes the hit.

The other option, stick him near a unit of Blood Crushers.
21 hits scored on the herald, and on a 4+ those hits are transfered to the Blood crushers. Since S3 save -1 is actually a threat to blood crushers (underpowered), that's not a brilliant idea.
On the other hand, when facing Empire, getting a 4+ look out vs the cannon his is pretty awesome.

So what's the morale of the story?
In a take all comers list, it isn't a horrible idea to run blood crushers.

A lot of armies don't get both cannons and effective normal shooting (O&G, Ogres and Daemons all have effective warmachines and ineffective BS based shooting). Often empire shows up without BS based shooting. That only leaves dwarves and tombkings where you need to worry about both warmachines and BS based shooting.

-Matt