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Hi, my flgg are running a tournament the following month, since this is the first time that I would participate in a tournament run buy this group I had a quick glance through the rules and i was shocked, never before have i seen such restricting rules.
I know that the event organizer decides the rules and I accept the fact that these are the rules, but that still doesn't mean that think that these rules are fare/ fun since they are SOOOOOOOOOOOO restricting.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1auqDTEx1mU6ajp-Lp--MBuej_BZ-Mer1bK7g-VIP3q0/pub (the rules)


I know that they are there to ¨balance¨ the game but am I the only one that thinks if you restrict players too much you lose the fun of the games?

Those do look pretty odd and more than a tad excessive. Outright banning units, power and combos seems a bit off to me.

Those restrictions on psykers & Daemons are hilariously biased... May as well just tell Daemon players up front that they're not welcome. (oh well, they at least left Be'lakor as an option, though banning Invis is harsh)

This is nothing more than some random person or group's personal list of, "we don't like these things and don't want to be bothered trying to counter them - ban them!"

I'd vote with your wallet and not attend if you feel these restrictions would result in a bunch of mediocre, joyless games.

Maximum maximum maximum maximum maximum maximum maximum maximum maximum maximum... There are definitely A LOT of rules. If that leads to a more balanced game then fair enough but the sheer number of things people have to consider is ridiculous. The only faction specific rules I read were the nids one's and I have to say I would refuse to play in this tournament I'm just so limited in what I can do
Only 140 models no more than 24 wounds no doubles this counts as ten you have to wear a melon on your head when you play. Seriously how much time was spent writing these

My larger issue than the restriction is that so many are redundant.

- No more thant 4 vehicles/FMC with Jink, unless FMC has a 4+ armor or worse.

Later on there is

- No more than 1 Flyer or FMC

So is that trying to ban Daemons + Wave Serpents or something?

Also
- Max 1 IC with multiple wounds that can move over 6"

later on

-Max 1 IC that can move over 6"

Totally redundant/

Beyond that Psyker cap is horrible

Way too many restrictions, many of the general restrictions are kinda pointless with all the codex stuff etc.

It is also out of date

Stupid comp by stupid people.

People still haven't realized that just because you want to ban multiple Heldrakes, you don't also have to ban multiple Vypers?

And O'Vesa is flat out banned? Did these people miss the release of 7th?

This is why we make jokes about Swedes.

 Thud wrote:


This is why we make jokes about Swedes.

Idiots are everywhere, the sad thing in this case is that this idiot got to create the rules for a tournament.

But as a BA player these rules leave me with 0 skyfire, i I mean none, so if my opponent some how brings a flyer I am because of the rules fethed!

Maximum 2 Priests/Corbulo.
o No Corbulo if Terminators present in army.
o Maximum 6 Death Company if Land Raider present in army.
o Maximum 3 Assault and Tactical Squads in total.
o Maximum 15 models from Devastator and Sternguard Veterans.

These restrictions just feels like punch in the d k



But, where would you say the line of reasonable restrictions is?

There is really no line, I think Highlander (everything is 0-1) is ok, but it is just different not necesarrily better. Any kind of truely fair Comp would need tons of playtesting rather than tons of restrictions and banning. WIth as many restrictions as they listed here they might as well go.

TO- "What army are you playing?"
Me- "Daemons"
TO- "ok here is your list, have fun"

Lets see:

Deathwing band
Ravenwing band
All other DA choices horribly crippled (from an already weak codex) by the restrictions.
Ork Horde band
Ork Nob Bikers band
Ork trukk boys band
All the mixed ork lists crippled by the "Maximum 1 of any army list entry outside of Troops" rule.

I would be left with no viable force other than a hodge podge of whatever I could fit in to those rules. I can't see how I would even make a viable ork list from that lot.

Its a bad idea and far to restrictive.

Breng77 wrote:
There is really no line, I think Highlander (everything is 0-1) is ok, but it is just different not necesarrily better. Any kind of truely fair Comp would need tons of playtesting rather than tons of restrictions and banning. WIth as many restrictions as they listed here they might as well go.

Highlander is great fun for Imperials and not so much for most Xenos armies... As a Daemon player, Highlander just stomps all over our codex and essentially goes back to the idea of the TO simply pre-writing a list for all Daemons players or 'insert army of choice here' and saying "have at it, enjoy playing Myhammer."


As for whether comp can be easy/hard, it doesn't take rocket science to at least stomp out the worst abuses... Even a light comp such as;
- Armies may contain up to 3 sources from the following: 0-2 CAD's, 0-1 Formation, 0-1 Allies.
- No more than 1 successful Conjuration power per Psychic Phase.
- Invisibility becomes WC3 power.
- Serpent Shields may only fire once per game.
- Any form of re-rolled 2++ save instead becomes a 2++/4++.

Some of the most obnoxious crap is cut, but nothing outright banned or neutered to the point it may as well not even exist anymore. Add in the staple LoW & Fortification ban list to remove the worst offenders such as the Fortress of Redemption or Eldar super titan and done.

Yes it's not perfect, but really, you're not aiming for 100% perfection. Rather, simply tone down the worst offenders and try to encourage a bit more list variation beyond the staple builds.

You can better encourage a wider types of player to attend the event simply by having prizes for categories other than just pure battle points & @$$kicking... Putting separate awards for the likes of painting, sportsmanship, 'best terrain', Murphy's Luck, overall combined score, etc... gives everyone a reason to consider attending.

This made me laugh:
• Adepta Sororitas
Maximum 3 Ministorium Priests. Celestine counts as one.

I mean.. what the? Celestine a priest? I think they mean Uriah...

Banned Stormravens....wat?

This one made me chuckle:
"Maximum 2 Grav weapons in a Centurion unit. Each independent

character in the army with 2+ save, and more than one wound, counts

as a Grav weapon for this restriction."

Looking over the rules, I agree with Breng77 that they would probably be better served by writing up the "acceptable" army lists for the players in advance and having you download them from their group page.

My favorite is: If a character ‘unlocks’ an army list entry to become Troops (i.e. Belial
and Deathwing Terminators) then no more than 2 of said entry may be taken as Troops... Good Bye Iyanden or Farsight

Edit: Wow... Max 1 Dedicated Transport Wave Serpent

Sometimes, composition restrictions get so extreme that you're not even playing 40K anymore.

nobody wrote:
Banned Stormravens....wat?

Really, that says it all. If you're out of touch enough that you need to ban Storm Ravens... you shouldn't be making tournament restriction rules.

rigeld2 wrote:

nobody wrote:
Banned Stormravens....wat?

Really, that says it all. If you're out of touch enough that you need to ban Storm Ravens... you shouldn't be making tournament restriction rules.

I think putting extra restrictions & limitations on the poor Sisters players even more laughable... I mean, who does that to Sisters of Battle?!

rigeld2 wrote:

nobody wrote:
Banned Stormravens....wat?

Really, that says it all. If you're out of touch enough that you need to ban Storm Ravens... you shouldn't be making tournament restriction rules.

I agree. All in all, these rules are absurd. They seriously read like someone parodying the overuse of houserules.

Ye p no more than 120 models for orks ..really...i can do that but the other restrictiosn ..sorry nope ..no going to that tourney ..ever..

That is some massively OTT comp.

On the bright side, they've not banned LoW, so you could take a Transcendent C'tan and pretty much auto win vs anything you're up against in that comp environment

Edit: you can drive a truck through this comp with Imperial knights as well. Gerantius, Errant & Paladin are 3 separate Army entries allowed by this comp.

"Maximum 1 of any army list entry outside of Troops."

So you cannot duplicate anything unless it is a troop, and you can only have 3 of the same troop choice if you have multiple troop options.

Seems like Necrons will do well.... oh wait, limited to 4 living metal vehicles, and almost all count as 2. So anything outside a triarch starker and ghost ark and 2 ghost arks.

Some of the rules straight up contradict themselves. you can have 4 FMCs with jink, but only 1 FMC. Then only 1 multiwound IC who can move more than 6? holy crap that is stupid. Straight up limits half the books. That means only 1 bike, jump, beast or cavalry IC. So you can have an Iron priest, or a wolf lord, but not both.

I mean, if you want people to bring a fun list, don't restrict the hell out of it. Do a rating system and give each unit a point value. If you don't want people to bring 3 annihilation barges, give them a negative value, where the units you deam fun get a positive value. Then add the list points to the game points and that is how you decide the winner. Don't have over complicated restrictions like this, it is really stupid.

EDIT: Space wolves havent been updated for the new codex. SW players will have a good time at this tourney I bet. Once SW get limited it will be like, "max 1 unit TWC, no ICs can take TWC, max 2 drop pods, cannot put dreadnoughts in drop pods, no lone wolves and the flyer can't have the melta upgrade"

It is clear the person who wrote this comp does not have a full understanding of how this game fits together.

Many TOs confuse the point of comp from "making it fair" to "making it how I wish it was," but this one is just outright nuts.

That is ridiculous. I'd be very unlikely to play in a tournament like that.

if this format is ALWAYS at this location, then this is a big fail. Wont last long.

If this was like a once in a life time event where they are trying somthing silly, then ok let them have it, but its not an event for me.

This should not be your first event to attend IMO. These kinds of rules will turn someone off from going to tournaments.

I hope you decide to go to a tournament later in the future where they will have normal rules.

 Steve steveson wrote:
Lets see:

Deathwing band
Ravenwing band
All other DA choices horribly crippled (from an already weak codex) by the restrictions.
Ork Horde band
Ork Nob Bikers band
Ork trukk boys band
All the mixed ork lists crippled by the "Maximum 1 of any army list entry outside of Troops" rule.

I would be left with no viable force other than a hodge podge of whatever I could fit in to those rules. I can't see how I would even make a viable ork list from that lot.

Its a bad idea and far to restrictive.

Think you mean banned. Otherwise, I would absolutely listen to a RW and DW band!!

Seriously though, this ^^. No DW only army, no RW only army. Everything else is just excessive.

I wouldn't go. Way too many restrictions on every army, and flat out banning Invisibility is just silly.

I would not go to that tournament...

It looks like a perfectly acceptable list....

for a 3rd edition tournament.

You know how some people have been trying to handle comp with surgical precision, to try and fillet out problematic elements while leaving as much of the game as intact as possible? This is the exact opposite in every way. They're using cluster bombs instead of a scalpel and still end up missing stupid things like certain Lords of War.

I didn't think I'd see a comp more ridiculous than my local comp, but I stand corrected. I just wouldn't go to that event, just like I don't want to go to my local event.

epic fail tournament comp. literally 90% of that junk could be thrown out. Sounds like it was written by a super control freak who doesn't THINK he's biased.