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Quick question, if i allied in a grey knight libby with sanctuary into a hammernator unit, would they stack for a 2+ inv?

Thanks in advance.

Sanctuary gives a bonus to the Psyker and his unit (in this case, hammer / shield terminators) which improves the invulnerable save by +1.

What makes you think it wouldn't work? Is it that the terminators have two invuln saves (the 3+ from the shield and the 5+ from termi armour)?

 Quanar wrote:
Sanctuary gives a bonus to the Psyker and his unit (in this case, hammer / shield terminators) which improves the invulnerable save by +1.

What makes you think it wouldn't work? Is it that the terminators have two invuln saves (the 3+ from the shield and the 5+ from termi armour)?

What you say is how i read it would work. 2 reasons i questioned it:

1. it sounds disgustingly good and have seen any FAQ regarding it

and

2. i seem to recall something somewhere limiting inv saves to a 3+ max. though this could be a cross over from 6th.

Merely wanted to confirm before i start writing 1k marine list to ally to my grey knight 1k contingent to abuse said rule.

However, no save (armour, cover or invulnerable) can ever be improved beyond 2+.

That is the only 7th Ed. limitation.

 BlackTalos wrote:

However, no save (armour, cover or invulnerable) can ever be improved beyond 2+.

That is the only 7th Ed. limitation.

Sweet, thats good enough for me.

Time to write a list.

Thanks guys

Nope, your hammernators can have 2++, considering eldar allied with DE and daemons have rerollable 2++ that isn't so broken... enjoy If you play iron hands, you might wanna try their already dead 'ard immortal CM having 2++ followed by (with a bit of luck and apothecary) 3up feel no pain

ThatSwellFella wrote:
Nope, your hammernators can have 2++, considering eldar allied with DE and daemons have rerollable 2++ that isn't so broken... enjoy If you play iron hands, you might wanna try their already dead 'ard immortal CM having 2++ followed by (with a bit of luck and apothecary) 3up feel no pain

Gotta admit, it did involve marines of the iron hand variety.

I'll post it when done.

 mixer86 wrote:
2. i seem to recall something somewhere limiting inv saves to a 3+ max. though this could be a cross over from 6th.

Possibly you're thinking of the Mark of Tzeench, from the CSM codex, which improves an invuln by +1 but is limited to improving it to 3+ at most.

ThatSwellFella wrote:Nope, your hammernators can have 2++, considering eldar allied with DE and daemons have rerollable 2++ that isn't so broken... enjoy If you play iron hands, you might wanna try their already dead 'ard immortal CM having 2++ followed by (with a bit of luck and apothecary) 3up feel no pain

2+ FNP, actually.

You don't need the apoth, just lucky rolls with a libby on Biomancy for Endurance, and the Clan Raukaan Warlord Trait.

But, keeping on topic; yes. 2++ on Hammernators is doable and legal.

Indeed. You can also do so for far less points (albeit less likely to roll sanctuary) by attaching an Inquisitor.

You can do even filthier things with Inquisitorial Henchmen - Crusaders backed up by a Ministorum Priest using The Emperor Protects! and an Inquisitor using Sanctuary can pull a ridiculous 2++ rerollable in close combat.

And this is a nutshell is why Allies is a horrible mechanic - Unforeseen circumstances by an apathetic design company.

Take note that GK have extremely limited access to codex: GK storm shields.

locarno24 wrote:
Indeed. You can also do so for far less points (albeit less likely to roll sanctuary) by attaching an Inquisitor.

You can do even filthier things with Inquisitorial Henchmen - Crusaders backed up by a Ministorum Priest using The Emperor Protects! and an Inquisitor using Sanctuary can pull a ridiculous 2++ rerollable in close combat.

Inquisitors are less reliable, as they peril on any doubles with Sanctic powers.

 Deuce11 wrote:
And this is a nutshell is why Allies is a horrible mechanic - Unforeseen circumstances by an apathetic design company.

Take note that GK have extremely limited access to codex: GK storm shields.

Rerollable 2++ in melee is something codex inquisition can achieve without allies, but is pretty unlikely given the ML1 limit.

Deuce11,
I disagree, as I believe anything which grants us more flexibility when it comes to how we design our Armies can only be a good thing. This might lead to some 'broken combinations' being reveled, but if I have been taught anything about this game it is that bad players will find 'broken scenarios' regardless. The only proven defense against 'Win at All Cost' or 'That ******* Guy' players is simple: Choose not to play them until they bring a 'casual' list that doesn't include 'cheese' designed to take away from the enjoyment of the game.

This is because 'broken' is in the eye of the beholder, and some people consider individual Models to already be 'broken' to the point they refuse to play against them.
I agree with them at times, those C'Tan are scary....

Mavnas wrote:

 Deuce11 wrote:
And this is a nutshell is why Allies is a horrible mechanic - Unforeseen circumstances by an apathetic design company.

Take note that GK have extremely limited access to codex: GK storm shields.

Rerollable 2++ in melee is something codex inquisition can achieve without allies, but is pretty unlikely given the ML1 limit.

Could you elaborate? AFAIK, Crusaders are the only models with 3++. What let them reroll that?

 Vector Strike wrote:

Mavnas wrote:

 Deuce11 wrote:
And this is a nutshell is why Allies is a horrible mechanic - Unforeseen circumstances by an apathetic design company.

Take note that GK have extremely limited access to codex: GK storm shields.

Rerollable 2++ in melee is something codex inquisition can achieve without allies, but is pretty unlikely given the ML1 limit.

Could you elaborate? AFAIK, Crusaders are the only models with 3++. What let them reroll that?

Was wondering where they got the reroll myself

Ministorum Priests have a special ability called 'War Hymns', and more specifically, the Hymn "The Emperor Protects!" Which lets them rerolled failed armour and invulnerable saving throws in the assault phase.

So, in theory, Crusaders in close combat could have 2++ rerollable in close combat.

Yup. They updated codex Inquisition and codex Adepta Sororitas to match the Imperial Guard version of the priest. Thing is, rerollable saves makes much more of a difference when you're not wearing flak armour, and the fact that they have zealot to boot makes even more of a difference when you're not guardsmen.

Inquisitorial Henchman warbands are quite scary now - not least because adding Psyker henchman is another mastery level one psyker for a pittance of points - which helps with the alluded-to problem of rolling sactuary in the first place.

However a Ld7 test isnt the most reliable - its amodel test, so has to be on their Ld.

Take Stern. He comes with Sanctuary.


BTW, terminators die to volume-of-fire anyways so I wouldn't put too much stock on 2++ terminators.

 jy2 wrote:
Take Stern. He comes with Sanctuary.


BTW, terminators die to volume-of-fire anyways so I wouldn't put too much stock on 2++ terminators.

but 2++ rerollable.... eeewwww

They dont get rerollable just 2++

Honestly though:
Outside of Power-Fists, how many armies have access to massive amounts of AP2 Melee weapons?

Nids - MCs.

Ah yes, Monstrous Creatures, thanks Rigeld2!
Being primarily Tau I keep forgetting those things are actually very nice in Close Combat, as our own tend to just run away before anyone even gets that close....

Not that Nids want to be in combat with Force Weapon wielding Gks