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Hey guys,

I am running an APOC game on the 11th, and I just realized that there is no FAQ for the psychic phase...


How would you guys play the psychic phase? Do they act as a team so share all dice for both defense and offense... or do they only share dice with defense..

Looking for some good ideas!

I played a team game the other day. We ruled it that you kept the dice you generated and shared the d6 pool however you wanted.

What did you guys do for denying blessings or units targeted? Did they get to deny as a team...

I would say that only the player who's unit was targeted by a spell can deny that spell, but he can acquire defensive dice from his allies. Similarly, a blessing can be denied by any player using his own dice plus whatever dice his allies give him, but each side can only attempt to deny a spell once. If the first deny attempt failed, another player can't attempt to deny that spell.


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For casting spells, I'd allow players to share dice.

This kind of ruling encourages the players to work together on their strategy rather than just doing their own thing. It makes the game more interesting.

Zimko wrote:
I would say that only the player who's unit was targeted by a spell can deny that spell, but he can acquire defensive dice from his allies. Similarly, a blessing can be denied by any player using his own dice plus whatever dice his allies give him, but each side can only attempt to deny a spell once. If the first deny attempt failed, another player can't attempt to deny that spell.


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For casting spells, I'd allow players to share dice.

This kind of ruling encourages the players to work together on their strategy rather than just doing their own thing. It makes the game more interesting.

+1 this, in absence of any official rules. Also, you may want to add in the OP's original method of distribution, then everyone share as they wish from there. Allies work together, but often have their own agendas and may want to reserve some for themselves.

azactaylor wrote:
What did you guys do for denying blessings or units targeted? Did they get to deny as a team...

For deny the witch, yes.

I'd return to the 6th edition psyker rules, or even all the way back to 5th and just choose your powers. The 7th edition psyker mechanics scale very poorly to Apocalypse level, so if anyone brings a psyker-heavy army your game is going to turn into a mess of tedious dice rolling and bookkeeping. You really don't want to be keeping track of hundreds of warp charge per side potentially being used by almost as many psykers. It's just not worth playing by RAW, house rule it to something more efficient.

What I've seen done most, is that the D6 is shared, and each player has his own psychic pool.

For deny, a single enemy steps up to deny (the one targeted in case of hostile spells, anyone who wants or nearest for self-buffs, summons and such)

When we've done team games we let the players take turns in rolling for the D6 -- different player each game turn.

Who rolled gets to distribute the extra dice, with each psyker getting their own "stash" from what they generate.

 Peregrine wrote:
I'd return to the 6th edition psyker rules, or even all the way back to 5th and just choose your powers. The 7th edition psyker mechanics scale very poorly to Apocalypse level, so if anyone brings a psyker-heavy army your game is going to turn into a mess of tedious dice rolling and bookkeeping. You really don't want to be keeping track of hundreds of warp charge per side potentially being used by almost as many psykers. It's just not worth playing by RAW, house rule it to something more efficient.

They too tighten the game and it does not lead to anything good.

We play big games more than 40 thousand on the side of every two weeks, I played more than 20 games.

All this is not so, it does not affect the balance of the game.

These are the myths. Even the heavymagic army in Apoc - demons do not pose any difficulty.


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According to the RAI and RAW, each player must throw a D6, it has its own pool of cubes and can not share them for casts. But the whole team is de facto and de jure, has a common pool of cubes on the deny.

When i played a 2 on 2, we did it similarly to Darog:

Turn 1 Player A on both sides (on their Turn) rolls a D6.

That result, plus any for your army, is what you obtain (so the D6 value has doubled)

Turn 2 Player B rolls, and vice versa till the end.

It also helped that I had no psykers whatsoever, so i just got my D6 for Dispell in the enemy turn. My ally played his Psychic phase pretty much as if he was on his own....
Obviously you can only dispel your own Units, and choose who does each blessing...