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CSM CAD - Primary

HQ
Chaos Lord - 90pts
Sigil of Corruption

Troops
10x Cultists - 50
11x Cultists - 54

Heavy Support
10x Havocs - 257pts
4x Plasma Guns, Aspiring Champion Combi-Plasma
Chaos Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher

10x Havocs - 257pts
4x Plasma Guns, Aspiring Champion Combi-Plasma
Chaos Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher

10x Havocs - 257pts
4x Plasma Guns, Aspiring Champion Combi-Plasma
Chaos Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher

CSM CAD

HQ
Chaos Lord - 90pts
Sigil of Corruption

Troops
10x Cultists - 50pts
11x Cultists - 54pts

Heavy Support
Land Raider - 230pts.
Land Raider - 230pts.
Land Raider - 230pts.

Each Lord with a 10x Cultists squad. These can either provide fearless objective campers or use the LRs to challenge objectives.
Depending on what the opponent is doing, the Havocs can either embark on the LRs or stay with their Rhinos and let the Cultists use them.
All in all, 12 plasma guns, 3 combi plasmas and 6 TL Lascannons.
Not to mention 3x 48" TL S5 AP4 Blasts from the Rhinos.

Can anyone see this list working?

Seems interesting enough. Proxy it and test it out.

I would consider giving the Havoc squads a patron mark and banner for FNP and compare costs to the Havoc launchers.

CSM Land Raiders only hold 10 guys so I'd drop the one spare Cultist.

It could certainly work!

But why not run chosen instead of havocs?
1) They are elites so you would not have to run 2 detachments
2) they have 2 attacks base, not 1, and can also get power weapons. Rapid fire plasma guns, then charge!

Aurelian wrote:I would consider giving the Havoc squads a patron mark and banner for FNP and compare costs to the Havoc launchers.

They get too expensive and the Havocs provide long-range blasts that can come in handy. That is, unless I change the list to Black legion.

changerofways wrote:It could certainly work!

But why not run chosen instead of havocs?
1) They are elites so you would not have to run 2 detachments
2) they have 2 attacks base, not 1, and can also get power weapons. Rapid fire plasma guns, then charge!

They don't have relentless so they cannot charge after Rapid-Fire but I see your point. I've prepared a Black Legion list with exactly that in mind.
The Chosen even have Objective Secured now.

BL list as follows. It has OS Chosen with 5 and a half plasmas each and I incorporated a mini spawnstar.
But nothing else at all.


HQ

Lord - 180pts.
Bike, MoS, Sigil of Corruption
Hand of Darkness, Power Sword

Troops

10x Chosen - 285pts
5x plasmaguns, Champion combi-plasma.

10x Chosen - 285pts
5x plasmaguns, Champion combi-plasma.

10x Chosen - 285pts
5x plasmaguns, Champion combi-plasma.

Fast Attack

4x Spawn - 120pts

Heavy Support

Land Raider - 230pts
Land Raider - 230pts
Land Raider - 230pts

Got 5 points to spare. Gonna give the Lord "Ichor Blood" if I can't get anything else
An alternative would be to drop the Hand of Darkness + Power Sword combo for PF + LC and get Dirge Casters for the LRs.

That's a lot of AP 2 hurt.

I'd run this from "Crimson Slaughter," everything gets fear, drop one Havoc squad, put in a chosen squad, given the the Ravengers rule so the squad gets preferred enemy and give them Plasma guns.

If you wanna assault out of the lr then give them melta guns. If only we could give chosen 5 plasma pistols and bolt pistols and get gunslinger rules and attack like cypher (he has S7 ap2 melee attacks from his plasma pistol!) Then that would be wicked sick!

Bullocks Salamanders get to take plasma pistols and bolt pistols.

Vlad_The_Obliterator wrote:I'd run this from "Crimson Slaughter," everything gets fear, drop one Havoc squad, put in a chosen squad, given the the Ravengers rule so the squad gets preferred enemy and give them Plasma guns.

Makes sense but running BL makes them troops. They can snatch objectives. I will give both setups a try.

Filch wrote:If you wanna assault out of the lr then give them melta guns. If only we could give chosen 5 plasma pistols and bolt pistols and get gunslinger rules and attack like cypher (he has S7 ap2 melee attacks from his plasma pistol!) Then that would be wicked sick!

Bullocks Salamanders get to take plasma pistols and bolt pistols.

First rule of GW; Loyalist Marines MUST be superior to Traitors in every aspect, shape or form
An equivalent setup with meltas instead of plasmas and maybe MoK or MoS is worth a try. Thanks for the input.