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Hello all,

I have a tournament coming up and just want to make sure I have a couple of things clear in my mind. I've read a few comments that this list is 'illegal' in 7th, but for the life of me, I can't figure out why.

Imagine that I have in my army the following:
1. Commander Farsight
2. Farsight's 7 Bodyguards all with Gun Drones
3. Commander Shadowsun

I want to make sure everyone agrees that I can do the following:
1. Farsight is Warlord. Farsight and Bodyguard stay in reserves. They deep-strike without scatter (his trait) whenever they come in. Shadowsun deploys seperately on the table and does her own thing.
2. Farsight is Warlord. Farsight and Bodyguard stay in reserves. Shadowsun joins them in reserves as a part of the unit. They deep-strike without scatter (his trait) whenever they come in.
3. Shadowsun is Warlord. Farsight and Bodyguard deploy on the table. Shadowsun deploys on the table in coherency. The unit can move 3D6" in the assault phase (her trait) from turn 1.

I'm a little unclear on #2 above. It's the one that I'd most like to use, but I know there are timing issues regarding ICs with Infiltrate. Do these timing issues come into play if you're not using Infiltrate?

It would be awesome if any responders quoted rules instead of just making a blanket statement.

They dont come into play with REserves, as reserves has no coherency requirement on deployment, they just join

There is nothing wrong with those scenarios that I can see.

The issues with IC's and infiltrate are specific to infiltrate (because infiltrates ares specifically deployed after regular deployment and reserves)

The only issue I can see with your scenario's is that you pick your warlord at list writing so you can't switch to shadowsun being your warlord.

There are two ways for it to be legal, and one way to be illegal.

Legal: Shadowsun, Farsight, 7 Crisis Bodyguard (all from same detachment, no Farsight Enclaves).
Legal: Shadowsun (1st detachment), Farsight and Bodyguards (or Commander Team) (2nd detachment, Farsight must be Warlord for Commander Team).
Illegal: Shadowsun, Farsight, Commander Team (all from same detachment).

 Happyjew wrote:
There are two ways for it to be legal, and one way to be illegal.

Legal: Shadowsun, Farsight, 7 Crisis Bodyguard (all from same detachment, no Farsight Enclaves).
Legal: Shadowsun (1st detachment), Farsight and Bodyguards (or Commander Team) (2nd detachment, Farsight must be Warlord for Commander Team).
Illegal: Shadowsun, Farsight, Commander Team (all from same detachment).

I'm not using Farsight Enclaves at all, so your first option is what I'm using.

And to the other comment, I would pick my Warlord ahead of time... I'm just not sure which is more useful. Should I start on the table, risk being shot at first turn, but be able to move 3D6" instead of 2D6" in the assault phase? Or should I start in reserves, risk not coming in until late in the game, but be able to come in exactly where I'll do the most damage? My thought is that starting on the table would be best.

Well you can mitigate the risk with a comms relay on an ADL; rerollable 3+ isnt bad.

Uh, you could still Deep Strike even if you had Shadowsun as the Warlord, can't you? You'd just scatter as normal.

Keep in mind that you can also outflank.
There is a nice little tool in the Tau arsenal that would allow you to easily pick the side you want to come in on.

 Quanar wrote:
Uh, you could still Deep Strike even if you had Shadowsun as the Warlord, can't you? You'd just scatter as normal.

True, but try to deep strike with scatter using a unit composed of 1 25mm base, 8 40mm bases and 14 small flying stands. The unit has a very large footprint and with even a moderate amount of terrain/other units on the field you have a high likelihood of mishap.


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JinxDragon wrote:
Keep in mind that you can also outflank.
There is a nice little tool in the Tau arsenal that would allow you to easily pick the side you want to come in on.

True. My brain isn't working right now. Can anyone Outflank? I thought you needed to have a special rule for that.

 Kriswall wrote:
True, but try to deep strike with scatter using a unit composed of 1 25mm base, 8 40mm bases and 14 small flying stands. The unit has a very large footprint and with even a moderate amount of terrain/other units on the field you have a high likelihood of mishap.

Good point, hadn't thought of it like that.

 Kriswall wrote:
True. My brain isn't working right now. Can anyone Outflank? I thought you needed to have a special rule for that.

Any unit with Infiltrate or Scout automatically gets Outflank too (it's also a stand-alone rule for some units, but I can't think of any Tau with it only).

 Quanar wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
True, but try to deep strike with scatter using a unit composed of 1 25mm base, 8 40mm bases and 14 small flying stands. The unit has a very large footprint and with even a moderate amount of terrain/other units on the field you have a high likelihood of mishap.

Good point, hadn't thought of it like that.

 Kriswall wrote:
True. My brain isn't working right now. Can anyone Outflank? I thought you needed to have a special rule for that.

Any unit with Infiltrate or Scout automatically gets Outflank too (it's also a stand-alone rule for some units, but I can't think of any Tau with it only).

So, I can keep Farsight, Shadowsun and the Bodyguard in normal Ongoing Reserves and then use Shadowsun's Outflank (granted by Infiltrate) ability to Outflank when the time comes?

And I have to announce if the unit is in Ongoing Reserves or Deep Strike Reserves? I can't just put them "in reserves" and decide between Outflank and Deep Strike when the time comes?

No, Ongoing reserves is something you go into when you leave the board, such as a Mawloc burrowing, deepstrike mishap,etc. It isnt Reserves

In order to Outfank Shadowsun et al, you MUST delcare this. Same as stating you would want to deepstrike a unit.

You cannot pick and choose. TO be honest, no-scatter deepstrike > outflank on a side of your choosing, in my opinion

If you force them to cower in the middle of their deployment zone then you have done something right.
Fire away with the Ion Accelerator boys, fire away.

Though, at 1500, that one mega-Unit alone might ensure you don't have any to fire....
Mega being the key word, that thing can easily cost more then 1024.

JinxDragon wrote:
If you force them to cower in the middle of their deployment zone then you have done something right.
Fire away with the Ion Accelerator boys, fire away.

Though, at 1500, that one mega-Unit alone might ensure you don't have any to fire....
Mega being the key word, that thing can easily cost more then 1024.

We're playing in a 2000 point/1000 per person partners tournament.

My big unit is Farsight, Shadowsun and 6 suits (can't afford 7), accompanied by 6 Fire Warriors and 10 Kroot/1 Kroothound. The big unit is 881 points in this scenario. Everything of mine starts in reserves. My partner is playing a castle IG army. So the plan is for him to soften up anything that could potentially hurt me (barrage/ignores cover/interceptor) and then for me to drop in and basically start clearing the board.