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As you all know the UM First Company was completely annihilated at the Battle of Macragge, so that leaves the question of who preceeded the current First Captain Agemman, and there led and died with the First at the Polar Fortress?



Furthermore, as the Company was wiped to a man, Agemman himself would have had to have come from another Company, most likely being Captain of the Second, but not necessarily.

I believe Agemann did indeed serve with the 2nd Company prior to his promotion.

I want to say the previous First Company Captain was called Invictus, but I may be entirely wrong.

His name was Saul Invictus. He became captain of the first company after the Corinthian Crusade. He died during the defense of the Polar Fortresses on Macragge.

And for those keeping track of captain shuffling after the Battle of Macragge, Sicarus was captain of the 5th before moving to the 2nd.

Invictus had rules in 3rd. Basically a terminator captain with a TL plasmagun and a powerfist instead of a stormbolter. His plasmablaster also counted as stationary and he got a 5++. Terminator armor worked a little different back then, some of the perks we have today were not universal.

He had rules in 2nd, but not 3rd that I know of. I think by 3rd, he had "died".

Speaking of UM captains, from the Ultramarines film, Captain Severus leads the 2nd Company. Would he be a successor to the current captain, or is this just another matter of getting their timeline mixed up? The mention the battle of Macragge in the film, so it would have to be later.

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Speaking of UM captains, from the Ultramarines film, Captain Severus leads the 2nd Company. Would he be a successor to the current captain, or is this just another matter of getting their timeline mixed up? The mention the battle of Macragge in the film, so it would have to be later.

It could well be a future Captain, post the death of Sicarius, like Titus from the SM game could be. Or some alternate-world thing.

Then again, this is the movies where 10 Space Marine 'rookies' (although they were in a tactical squad, so must have done a few decades already) led by a Captain and a randomly attached apothecary are sent to investigate something that caused the death of 100 Imperial Fists, with no fire support beyond a Land Speeder and no backup. It also had a Chaplain whose crozius acted like a force weapon. I wouldn't take any of it as part of 40k fluff.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
He had rules in 2nd, but not 3rd that I know of. I think by 3rd, he had "died".

Chapter Approved, pg. 123. Same section as the other 3rd ed Ultramarine characters. Presumably originally from a WD, but I have no idea what number. And he is/was dead at the time. There is even a sidebar fluff piece about his death at the Battle of Macragge.

Assuming you are talking about Invictus, not Agemman. Not sure if your post is a reply to mine or the OP. My 2nd ed codex is lost to the warp, so can’t check if either of them had rules in there.

 Paradigm wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Speaking of UM captains, from the Ultramarines film, Captain Severus leads the 2nd Company. Would he be a successor to the current captain, or is this just another matter of getting their timeline mixed up? The mention the battle of Macragge in the film, so it would have to be later.

It could well be a future Captain, post the death of Sicarius, like Titus from the SM game could be. Or some alternate-world thing.

Then again, this is the movies where 10 Space Marine 'rookies' (although they were in a tactical squad, so must have done a few decades already) led by a Captain and a randomly attached apothecary are sent to investigate something that caused the death of 100 Imperial Fists, with no fire support beyond a Land Speeder and no backup. It also had a Chaplain whose crozius acted like a force weapon. I wouldn't take any of it as part of 40k fluff.

Yeah, just based off of the movie itself, I'd say that nothing from Ultramarines is canon.

 Paradigm wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Speaking of UM captains, from the Ultramarines film, Captain Severus leads the 2nd Company. Would he be a successor to the current captain, or is this just another matter of getting their timeline mixed up? The mention the battle of Macragge in the film, so it would have to be later.

It could well be a future Captain, post the death of Sicarius, like Titus from the SM game could be. Or some alternate-world thing.

Then again, this is the movies where 10 Space Marine 'rookies' (although they were in a tactical squad, so must have done a few decades already) led by a Captain and a randomly attached apothecary are sent to investigate something that caused the death of 100 Imperial Fists, with no fire support beyond a Land Speeder and no backup. It also had a Chaplain whose crozius acted like a force weapon. I wouldn't take any of it as part of 40k fluff.

Who cares if what they were investigating made 100 IF disappear? They were ULTRAMARINES! They could have killed 100 fists by themselves... blindfolded... with their hand tied behind their back... while standing on their head... in the middle of a sneezing fit. Geez - get with the times, ULTRAMARINES are more powerful than a Draigo-Mephiston love child when they are scouts!










Or so they like to think.
:-p

Poly Ranger wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Speaking of UM captains, from the Ultramarines film, Captain Severus leads the 2nd Company. Would he be a successor to the current captain, or is this just another matter of getting their timeline mixed up? The mention the battle of Macragge in the film, so it would have to be later.

It could well be a future Captain, post the death of Sicarius, like Titus from the SM game could be. Or some alternate-world thing.

Then again, this is the movies where 10 Space Marine 'rookies' (although they were in a tactical squad, so must have done a few decades already) led by a Captain and a randomly attached apothecary are sent to investigate something that caused the death of 100 Imperial Fists, with no fire support beyond a Land Speeder and no backup. It also had a Chaplain whose crozius acted like a force weapon. I wouldn't take any of it as part of 40k fluff.

Who cares if what they were investigating made 100 IF disappear? They were ULTRAMARINES! They could have killed 100 fists by themselves... blindfolded... with their hand tied behind their back... while standing on their head... in the middle of a sneezing fit. Geez - get with the times, ULTRAMARINES are more powerful than a Draigo-Mephiston love child when they are scouts!










Or so they like to think.
:-p

You know, I was going to throw the 10 UM=100 IF joke in my earlier post, but I figured I'd let someone else take a shot at it instead. Glad I did, that was suitably hyperbolic and amusing

Why thank you ;-)

Can we leave the unwarranted Ultramarines hate out of this? Yes, the film was subpar, but let's leave it out.

Saul Invictus preceeded Agemman as First Captain, as mentioned above, he had rules in Codex Ultramarines, died at Macragge, and was the coolest Captain of all time. He was previously Captain of the 3rd, succeeded by Captain Ardias, and later Mikael Fabian, shortly before Invictus' death. He was a close friend, confidant and advisor to Marneus Calgar, which is one reason that's thrown around as to why Calgar isn't really perceived as Agemman's biggest fan.