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Hello guys,

so i really need help here. Im running CSM army. Got some marines, hellbrutes, forgefiend/maulerfiend and DV models at the moment. Im panning to make more like rush army so in future i would like to buy some Rhinos for my marines, helldrake and maybe second maulerfiend.

Thing is that i dont know what HQ would fit it. I always wanted Daemon Prince.. but im not so sure if it fit my CSM very well. So i thought about Belakor. So far i dont see any negative aspect on that guy "leading" my army. Only thing that bothers me lil is the fact that hes a separate book.. So if i would want to try some turney in very distant future.. i noticed they sometime allow only 2 books per army. But so far im not planing to add any allies so whatever.

Also i would like to mention that i dont like bikes. I suppose i would survive Lord on bike with group of spawn but that would be the last option i guess. In that case i would rather run lord on juggernout i guess.

What would be also possibility is some special characters... namely Kharn and Abbadon. But i wonder how likely is to get those guys into CC.

Also at last but not least i have to keep in mind price of the models because my budged is not unlimited unfortunately . Because for example Lord on bike/juggernaut and some spawn can get pretty pricey. Same goes if i would have to buy Landraider for the Kharn or Abbadon just to get them into CC..

Looking forward to any kind of advice here.

Lots of possibilities.

You could go with a mishmash midboard controle with rhino marines, heldrakes and stuff like that. Any HQ can fit there, but the preferencegoes to biker HQs with spawns or bikes that you don't like.
Another option is a landraider with indep + retinue. In this case, guyz like Kharn, Abaddon, Typhus or any footslogging indep might find their place.

Some people run a footslogging indep + a blob of cultists. That might suit slow lists with Helbrutes from formations, rhino marines and stuff like that.

You could go with infiltrating/outflanking mass footslogging marines. Huron, Cypher and something like 20 strong slaanesh marines with a FNP icon + infiltrating chosen + fast support like maulerfiends, bikes, spawns will put some frightening pressure onyour opponent. Beware the Imperial Knights, however. Cause massed marines can't do much vs them but tarpit. And it's quite some expensive tarpit.

There are many of other options but those listed above are my favorite.

Thanks for the reply

Yea... like i said, i know lord on bike is the best option but anyway its not my cup of tea to be honest.

But the idea of Kharn or Abaddon in Landraider seems cool to me. Good thing about it is that for now i could just buy one of them and run them with cultist blob and later buy the landraider.

Any opinion on the Belakor/Daemon prince ?

 Yksak wrote:
Thanks for the reply

Yea... like i said, i know lord on bike is the best option but anyway its not my cup of tea to be honest.

But the idea of Kharn or Abaddon in Landraider seems cool to me. Good thing about it is that for now i could just buy one of them and run them with cultist blob and later buy the landraider.

Any opinion on the Belakor/Daemon prince ?

Belakor is a very solid HQ and you can use one model for him/unnamed DP. It isnt my cup of tea to have a 300 point flying nasty but Belakor is certainly still worthwhile.

Kharn/Abaddon really dont work very well. Sure you can do it, abandon particularly is a beast but once you take him, a landraider, and a retinue you are talking about 700+ points. Basically some sort of deathstar that really isnt that tough. It is too easy to gimp it or leave it stranded out of combat.
Now I love my converted Abbaddon model, I sometimes use him as an unnamed cheap terminator lord. Still beaty, but at almost a third the cost.

When it comes to versitility and fun. Huron and Cypher really unlock a lot for CSM. I run them both, sometimes together and they really do everything i ask of them.

 Yksak wrote:

Yea... like i said, i know lord on bike is the best option but anyway its not my cup of tea to be honest.

Biker lord is not the best. He's the easiest to use in most lists but sometimes, you're better off with other options. For example, there's simply no place for biker characters in a full-infiltrating list.

And i disagree on Kharn. He always hits on 2+ with rerolls if he's a warlord. You face invisible nonscence? Well, Kharn doesn't care bout invisibility. Csm have problems vs imperial knights. Guess what, Kharn strips 5-6 HP on the charge on average vs an imperial knight. He erazes any opponent in his point range. 2+ DTW is quite handy also. Yep, he has problems with delivery but a landraider fixes it. And he's quite cheap for what he brings.

Thanks for advice guys. really appreciate it

Currently i am picking between Belakor and Kharn to be honest with you.

I could run Kharn just footslogging with my 20 cultists for now and in future maybe buy him some ride Although im not sure what should ride with him. First i though Berzerkrs.. but then i realized loosing them to those rolls of 1 is kinda expensive.. so maybe just marines with replaced boltgun with ccw to keep them cheap or sumthing like that.

And Belakor seems just too amazing on the paper. We do play with alot of LOS blocking terrain so if i would be careful with him (And i would be.. i mean its 350pts) he cant get focused. But yeah.. hes 350 pts