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So as far as I can tell, PanO controls Australia, most of the Southwest Pacific, India, Europe (?) and parts of South America. Yu Jing controls China, probably parts of central Asia and Southeast Asia. Haqqislam controls the Middle East, the Near East and I'm assuming a good chunk of North Africa.

So what's up with Russia, North America and Sub-Saharan Africa? It seems like the United States has become a failed state, so is it controlled by warlords?

So, to the best of my knowledge, Earth has pretty much stopped being anything like the national boundaries we know today. It's pretty much all Pan`O, Yu Jing, or some other minor power that isn't important on a setting wide scale.

If you're looking for Russia and North America (and some French/Scottish) you'd find Aradnia, a colony on an alien planet that got cut off from Earth.

Also Haqquslam is on their own planet, no presence on Earth at all.

But geographic areas are still governed...if everything's either PanO or Yu Jing who controls North America? I guess PanO?

Nope, the Haqqislam left Earth with the help of the NASA (wich was out of work because USA had no money) in a "sacred pilgrimage" and found Bourak, PanO also has a chunk of Africa, only specified country is Kenya (Kamau troops fluff), I think Yu Jing has also some chunks of Africa, the Druzes (Druze Shock Teams fluff) also have a great deal of influence all over Africa and the Middle east but I don't think they are a country per se, at least part of the US is part of PanO because they used it as an excuse to take control of Ariadna, it didn't work thought, also some parts of the US are probably pretty destroyed due to one of the last wars it took part in, it's worth mentioning the fact that Yu Jing moved a big part of its Earth population to the twin planets of Shentang-Yutang, also we don't know if there are some nations remaining in Earth, there could perfectly be quite a few nations that are independent but have no voice over international politics.

I think a general question is what Earth is like...Infinity seems to exist in a pretty "hard" sci-fi universe, so maybe Earth is barren, flooded (from climate change) and pretty much a wasteland.

There is people living on Earth, and it's still a valuable strategic point, at some point PanO pulled an attack against Hong Kong (Waterlily offensive, Knight of the Holy Sepulcre fluff) but Yu Jing managed to counter-attack and it didn't end well for PanO, Earth is not dead but it's sort of like with York and New York, normal people don't care about Earth, the want to know what happens at NeoTerra.

 aldo wrote:
Nope, the Haqqislam left Earth with the help of the NASA (wich was out of work because USA had no money) in a "sacred pilgrimage" and found Bourak, PanO also has a chunk of Africa, only specified country is Kenya (Kamau troops fluff), I think Yu Jing has also some chunks of Africa, the Druzes (Druze Shock Teams fluff) also have a great deal of influence all over Africa and the Middle east but I don't think they are a country per se, at least part of the US is part of PanO because they used it as an excuse to take control of Ariadna, it didn't work thought, also some parts of the US are probably pretty destroyed due to one of the last wars it took part in, it's worth mentioning the fact that Yu Jing moved a big part of its Earth population to the twin planets of Shentang-Yutang, also we don't know if there are some nations remaining in Earth, there could perfectly be quite a few nations that are independent but have no voice over international politics.

US weren't the only sponsor of the colonization mission, I don't think there's enough information to assume any part of the US is part of the PanO.

 Knight wrote:

 aldo wrote:
Nope, the Haqqislam left Earth with the help of the NASA (wich was out of work because USA had no money) in a "sacred pilgrimage" and found Bourak, PanO also has a chunk of Africa, only specified country is Kenya (Kamau troops fluff), I think Yu Jing has also some chunks of Africa, the Druzes (Druze Shock Teams fluff) also have a great deal of influence all over Africa and the Middle east but I don't think they are a country per se, at least part of the US is part of PanO because they used it as an excuse to take control of Ariadna, it didn't work thought, also some parts of the US are probably pretty destroyed due to one of the last wars it took part in, it's worth mentioning the fact that Yu Jing moved a big part of its Earth population to the twin planets of Shentang-Yutang, also we don't know if there are some nations remaining in Earth, there could perfectly be quite a few nations that are independent but have no voice over international politics.

US weren't the only sponsor of the colonization mission, I don't think there's enough information to assume any part of the US is part of the PanO.

Territory-wise, it's tough to define one way or another. However, as PanO is basically "Western civilization in spaaaaace," it's a safe bet that a lot of ethnically American people (if that's even a thing that can exist) live in PanO territory, especially with all the hardship that hit the US in the history of the game.

I'm hoping that the fluff half of N3 sheds more light on this. I'd really like to see some maps of the various planets and who controls what.

 Guildsman wrote:
ethnically American people (if that's even a thing that can exist) live in PanO territory, especially with all the hardship that hit the US in the history of the game.

Heh, this made me smirk. The idea of 'ethnically' American ethnically African-American people, having to be referred to by the politically correct term: African-American-PanOceanians.

kcphila wrote:
I think a general question is what Earth is like...Infinity seems to exist in a pretty "hard" sci-fi universe, so maybe Earth is barren, flooded (from climate change) and pretty much a wasteland.

I can imagine it being more like something from Blade Runner - massive mega-cities with 10's of millions of inhabitants living in mega-towers, with a total earth population of probably 10 billion or more. Environment is wrecked ("you remember when you could go outside and feel the sun on your skin?"), but civilisation and society is still run at a highly organised level. In fact, we know this from Aleph still maintaining all of the government systems. I.e. I don't think a mad-max scenario of biker gangs riding around a lawless society slaying people and laughing.

 Guildsman wrote:

 Knight wrote:

 aldo wrote:
Nope, the Haqqislam left Earth with the help of the NASA (wich was out of work because USA had no money) in a "sacred pilgrimage" and found Bourak, PanO also has a chunk of Africa, only specified country is Kenya (Kamau troops fluff), I think Yu Jing has also some chunks of Africa, the Druzes (Druze Shock Teams fluff) also have a great deal of influence all over Africa and the Middle east but I don't think they are a country per se, at least part of the US is part of PanO because they used it as an excuse to take control of Ariadna, it didn't work thought, also some parts of the US are probably pretty destroyed due to one of the last wars it took part in, it's worth mentioning the fact that Yu Jing moved a big part of its Earth population to the twin planets of Shentang-Yutang, also we don't know if there are some nations remaining in Earth, there could perfectly be quite a few nations that are independent but have no voice over international politics.

US weren't the only sponsor of the colonization mission, I don't think there's enough information to assume any part of the US is part of the PanO.

Territory-wise, it's tough to define one way or another. However, as PanO is basically "Western civilization in spaaaaace," it's a safe bet that a lot of ethnically American people (if that's even a thing that can exist) live in PanO territory, especially with all the hardship that hit the US in the history of the game.

I imagine many that didn't have the fortune to be moved with corporations became immigrants, probably moving to south America. If US collapsed there isn't much to be gained by leaning on a remnant identity of the past, for descendants it's probably nothing more than historical interest of tracing their lineage. After few generations it's also possible for them to simply forget or not holding any particular interest.

Supposedly N3 won't be going into much detail, that's reserved for the expansion.

If you can terraform planets you could probably reverse the damage done by pollution

I seem to recall from the Knights of the Sepulcher that Earth is still considered a Holy Land by most of humanity, so I imagine that the environment has been somewhat repaired. It probably just has a much lower population than it once had. I Imagine that most of the former US territory is under Panoceanian control.

There is this map that I have on my computer. I don't recall where the gif form came from.



Earth still exists and it's still a very strong trade point. It just so happens that of the three big 'nations' of PanO, Yu Jing, and Haqqislam, they all claim capitals on different planets. Ariadna is on Dawn. Varuna and Aconticimento are pretty much entirely PanO. Svarlheima and Paradiso are contested. Concilium is probably the O-12 and 'neutral' territory. It's safe to assume that perhaps the O-12 maintains neutrality within Earth as well. There's also a Tohaa planet called Agreda (not pictured). I actually have no idea where Aleph is headquartered (if anywhere).

Note that just because all the Infinity factions tend to fight occasionally, there is no total war. "Infinity" the name comes from the O-12 designation similar to 'DEFCON' that is the highest alert level just below total war.

There is no reason to assume Earth is polluted and abandoned; it's a major trade/transit point. Even if it was polluted, I'm sure the Haqqis would have figured out a way to fix it.

Aleph (as in the big computer thingy it resides in) is (if I recall correctly) in Concilium, constantly under the supervision of bureau Toth(?)

ALEPH isn't really centralised in that way, as far as I recall.

 IJW wrote:
ALEPH isn't really centralised in that way, as far as I recall.

That would be rather foolhardy, as well. Eggs in one basket, etc.

I see Americans as being a part of PanO but the USAriadnians think of themselves as preserving the original US ideals. While they don’t think of themselves as the “real” America, they do think of themselves and more American than America. Also, I don’t see Americans wanting to be anything but being a part of the most powerful and highest standard of living faction.

One thing I think that should be mentioned though is new emigration. When Dawn was re-discovered there might have been an influx of immigrants from earth or other systems. PanO-Americans that got sick of the easy life and went to rough-it on Dawn.

For my own Bakunin fluff, I have that my force is mostly made of Chinese that practiced radical Taoism. They left Yu Jing to Bakunin for religious freedom and the ability do scientific experiments into attaining physical immortality.

kcphila wrote:
If you can terraform planets you could probably reverse the damage done by pollution

If you read Kim Stanley Robinson's 2312, set in a future of that date, he makes a pretty convincing argument that even though they have the technology to turn the inside of asteroids into habitable climates and terraform Mars, Earth's climate models have been sufficiently muddled to make every attempt extremely difficult, and then concerted effort blocked at political level because of the massive numbers of people living in different areas - you couldn't just block the sun to lower surface temperates or pump gas into the atmosphere etc. as you could on an uninhabited planet.

So, there are local climate control methods, but the planet Earth itself is still a heaving mass of people and both the archaic and the futuristic molded into one. I think this scenario is more likely than both Mad Max post-apoc (which I don't think anyone is seriously advocating), or the 'Star Trek Federation' model of people walking around bowing and smiling beatifically at each other while wearing one piece suits with roll-collars.

I have trouble seeing Earth as toxic wasteland. Nature has rather remarkable ability to thrive and regenerate, with most of industry moving to other planets we should see some sign of relief. I'm rather confident that no matter what we humans might do, Earth will still stand.
Senor Massacre background that might be of some relevance.

that he worked for the Los Puños Rojos guerrillas in Central America jungles, that he acted as saboteur for the eco-terrorist group Eco-Aktion, and that he was the bodyguard of a drug lord from Tien Shan.

 Knight wrote:
I have trouble seeing Earth as toxic wasteland. Nature has rather remarkable ability to thrive and regenerate, with most of industry moving to other planets we should see some sign of relief. I'm rather confident that no matter what we humans might do, Earth will still stand.
Senor Massacre background that might be of some relevance.

that he worked for the Los Puños Rojos guerrillas in Central America jungles, that he acted as saboteur for the eco-terrorist group Eco-Aktion, and that he was the bodyguard of a drug lord from Tien Shan.

Agreed. None of the fluff ever mentions that the Earth is desolate or anything similar. It's just that all of the major nations have their capitols on other planets. PanO moved to Neoterra, YJ to Shentang, the Nomads in their spaceships, etc.

 Space Ranger wrote:
I see Americans as being a part of PanO but the USAriadnians think of themselves as preserving the original US ideals. While they don’t think of themselves as the “real” America, they do think of themselves and more American than America. Also, I don’t see Americans wanting to be anything but being a part of the most powerful and highest standard of living faction.

One thing I think that should be mentioned though is new emigration. When Dawn was re-discovered there might have been an influx of immigrants from earth or other systems. PanO-Americans that got sick of the easy life and went to rough-it on Dawn.

For my own Bakunin fluff, I have that my force is mostly made of Chinese that practiced radical Taoism. They left Yu Jing to Bakunin for religious freedom and the ability do scientific experiments into attaining physical immortality.

I see it like little inferiority complex TBH and its funny. I think it would be best to wait for USAriadna fluff to see what exacly happend with America and where those people moved.

Space Ranger dont forget about our ultra violent punk girls