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I was at my local gaming store today and a worker there was talking about the release of the Blood angels and there was a discussion going off about them.

How Death company may be changed, the baal predator. Ect. I'm not a blood angels fan myself but I thought it was interesting to see as a community what you guys may think

Actually, I don't expect very much.
Look at the new DA codex. It's rather mediocre.

Space wolves one wasn't that bad was it???

I expected it to be here already!

D

The thing we can be certain of is pretty much across the board point drops in line with SM and DA, which will do a huge amount for the army regardless of what else we get.

I see the Dante=Sang Guard as Troops rule going, and the 0-1 on Death Company as well. DC options may drop in points, especially JPs.

Baal Pred will stay the same, the Furioso will as well. Sang Guard might get cheaper, and/or have the fixed squad size lifted (either will help them a lot). Sang Priests will probably become o-3 slotless HQ choices rather than take Elites slots.

Hopefully, we lost Unwieldy on at least one of our axe-swinging Special Characters, and Dante gets Eternal Warrior. The Sanguinor could do with a drop in points and/or the ability to join squads, and Mephiston could maybe do with a drop in points, even with a slight debuff.

 Paradigm wrote:
The thing we can be certain of is pretty much across the board point drops in line with SM and DA, which will do a huge amount for the army regardless of what else we get.

I see the Dante=Sang Guard as Troops rule going, and the 0-1 on Death Company as well. DC options may drop in points, especially JPs.

Baal Pred will stay the same, the Furioso will as well. Sang Guard might get cheaper, and/or have the fixed squad size lifted (either will help them a lot). Sang Priests will probably become o-3 slotless HQ choices rather than take Elites slots.

Hopefully, we lost Unwieldy on at least one of our axe-swinging Special Characters, and Dante gets Eternal Warrior. The Sanguinor could do with a drop in points and/or the ability to join squads, and Mephiston could maybe do with a drop in points, even with a slight debuff.

With all this being said, im really tempted to kind of make a kill team blood angels army when the new dex gets released. im a huge fan of the space marine battle novels! but not so keen on the arm being "MEQ" army. I just prefer a more 'less armour, higher weaponry' type of playstyle. i.e Eldar, dark eldar, tau, ect. But im going to look at some of the books and audio books and it will more then likely tempt me.

How are blood angels at the moment? i know they're very combat heavy. Do you think that will Hinder their effectiveness in a 'shooting orientated' edition of 40k?

If the Tyranid/Blood Angel campaign box drops I'll be picking up a force of these guys so I'm hoping the Baal Predator stays the same. Really the only unit in there that I actually like... But I am actually expecting some sort of Blood aircraft. Maybe an Assault vehicle similar to a Stormraven in use. Wolves got the barge looking thing and Blood Angels are very melee orientated. Would not be surprised at all if some transport shows up brand new.

Indeed, cc oriented armies have a hard time in an edition where shooting is more effective.
Reaching cc can be a problem due to over watch and random charge distance.
BA Vanguard had heroic intervention in the 5th Ed which has been quite effective in a DoA army.
I guess we'll see nothin like this in the new BA codex.

Sure overwatch wouldnt effect a MEQ army too much.. aside from Tau ofc.

i dont know. i suppose im trying to be optimistic with Blood angels probably being my favourite Space marine chapter after Crimson fists.

would be nice to see them maybe implement something into the army to maybe subside overwatch slightly. Maybe negate D3 overwatch shots, or give them a 6+ FnP on the turn they charge or something i dont know.

as Sharkoutofwata stated they may have a decent flying transport for them

 Andy140491 wrote:
Space wolves one wasn't that bad was it???

Nope, but they were good to begin with.
Since Eldar and Tau the GW policy for new books has been some mild adjustments that generally don't affect the power level unless there happens to be some kind of trick unit in there.

Overall I expect less points and some ridiculous new model. Let's see how many times they can put the word "Blood" in a single unit.

Dante riding a slay driven by baalian bats.

 Andy140491 wrote:
I was at my local gaming store today and a worker there was talking about the release of the Blood angels and there was a discussion going off about them.

How Death company may be changed, the baal predator. Ect. I'm not a blood angels fan myself but I thought it was interesting to see as a community what you guys may think

I'd expect the Baal may get put back to HS where it belongs (though maybe not). Given the other dexes of late, I'd expect some price increases on things, and some sort of new unit that'll either be totally pointless or included in every single army for the next 4 years. They might get another flyer unique to them since the Stormraven went to everyone.

I have to admit though I'm rather looking forward to the new release either way. I don't think they'll the receive the same type of reception the tyranids got, but I don't think they'll be on the same power level as tau or eldar. I just hope they make them unique enough to still feel very different from normal marines, dark angels, and space wolves, with most of the armies now being laid out like data slates, and being given USR.

I hope BA will still have the focus on fast moving vehicles, Assault Marines, and DC.

I reckon BA will be on the same power level as SM and SW: better than all armies other than Eldar.

There is a lot I'd like from the new BA, most of these things revolve around point drops so I can get more bodies/shinies on the table. The current dex doesn't really allow for both at games at any point level, as you either bring sufficient bodies, which don't have the killing power to deal with multiple of different threats, or you bring more killy stuff but then can't sufficiently hold objectives.

I hope the Baal pred stays pretty much the same, but perhaps with the flame storm cannon getting torrent.

Sang guard in units of 10, more option such as SS would be good but I doubt it'll happen since the options not in the kit.

Getting back our own deck of psychic powers would be good.

I'm interested to see what they do with the Libby dread.

What I'm really excited for is the formations though.

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Damn straight! Don't you think it seems like BA have a really strong following? Will you guys be doing successor chapters? Or will they have a supplement like the flesh tearers?

I really hope they keep Mephiston the way he is. Maybe power down his stat line a little but then a point trim to accompany?

What do you guys think will happen with the death company??

It would be nice to have a unit with at least ap 2 (non unweildly) I cc.. no uber high str, but enough to be scary up close!

I already run a successor chapter; Angels Encarmine (white armour DC and SG). Signs point towards a Flesh Tearers for something with them being featured as the models fights the kids in the recent white dwarfs and all the BL stuff, it might just be formations etc in the new campaign or a full FT supplement, if it is it'll be the first time a successor chapter was the focus of a supplement.

Mephiston needs ap2 and a way to get into combat to make him worth while, which was why the wings of sanguinius power was so useful before. He also needs a serious points drop, he's far to expensive for a character without an invul save.

DC I hope get a some considerable points dropped, especially for jumppacks. Ruleswise they're cool at the moment rage means you're looking at 4/5 attacks on the charge depending on if you have 2 ccw pr not, the rerolls from a Chaplain can make that really brutal, not sure if they'll switch things up.

Yeah hopefully our special characters with axes will get to strike at their initiative, that would be real sweet.

D

2016.

The only thing I expect in a Blood Angels's Codex, is the sort of price drops that have appeared in all the other marine codexes that have come out.

 evildrcheese wrote:
Signs point towards a Flesh Tearers for something with them being featured as the models fights the kids in the recent white dwarfs and all the BL stuff, it might just be formations etc in the new campaign or a full FT supplement, if it is it'll be the first time a successor chapter was the focus of a supplement.

Mother of...

Windchild wrote:

 evildrcheese wrote:
Signs point towards a Flesh Tearers for something with them being featured as the models fights the kids in the recent white dwarfs and all the BL stuff, it might just be formations etc in the new campaign or a full FT supplement, if it is it'll be the first time a successor chapter was the focus of a supplement.

Mother of...

Haha! Whoops. Really should proof read my posts. Fight the Nids, I meant Nids!

D

I genuinely have no idea in my head of what it could be, but rather than a totally new flier, to show the experienced use of the platform, why can't their storm ravens be a bit different, a special rule of some sort to make it a bit more blood angel like. Maybe allow embarking/disembarking from zooming storm ravens.

How about JP troops can assault out of a flyer. Imagine a crazy squad of paratroopers diving into H2H combat, only bigger, meaner and more red!

I'd love for BA to get a psychic ability to increase the melee capability of the army. Or maybe to give them a 4+ feel no pain against over watch to show them charging in or something..

 Andy140491 wrote:
Space wolves one wasn't that bad was it???

I dunno. Depends on whether or not you have good taste, or you like Terminators in hover chariots being drawn by wolves, or flying clown shoes with freeze rays.

Some specific predictions:

The total genericization of the majority of the codex - Tac, Assault, Vanguards. Devastator, Sternguard, Terminators, Scouts and Bikes will be almost identical to the SM Codex. This will include the respective across the board points cut for infantry. No grav guns, but access to the Infernus Pistol and Hand Flamer.

HQ units will receive drastic point cuts, and lose most of their special rules. No special characters will be cut.

The various non-HQ characters will have their own entries, and will have the same FOC-slot-less rules that some Space Wolves characters use. These units will get the same treatment as the HQ: cheaper, but fewer special rules.

Red Thirst will be re-worked to eliminate the book keeping. A new psychic discipline will be introduced, which will include re-worked versions of most of the 5th edition powers.

Dreadnoughts will be brought into line with the stats of the regular SM Codex, but will retain the frag launchers and an option to upgrade to a psyker. Blood Talons and Magna-grapple will be re-worked to simplify them.

Death Company's rules will be largely unchanged, but the point costs of the unit and it's wargear will be significantly altered. I think it's possible that GW will make some significant, surprising changes to Death Company.

The tanks will be the regular SM standards, plus Fast and a 15 or 20 point premium. The Baal predator will be almost totally unchanged.

The Storm Raven will be identical to the SM Codex. Land Raiders will lose deep strike.

The unusual FOC will remain unchanged. A special detachment will focus on their Elite choices (similar to Space Wolves).

Mephiston will be a Lord of War, and will gain an Iron Halo and Eternal Warrior, but will have his ludicrous statline knocked down to resemble a chapter master. Transfixing Gaze will be replaced by something that will buff his psychic abilities (possibly a way to fiddle the dice when generating powers). No AP2 or mobility options by default, you'll have to get those through psychic powers.

The Sanguinor will be a Lord of War, and will get an overall buff.

I'm sure whatever shape the upcoming codex takes the usual suspects will drown us in their pessimism.

 evildrcheese wrote:

Windchild wrote:

 evildrcheese wrote:
Signs point towards a Flesh Tearers for something with them being featured as the models fights the kids in the recent white dwarfs and all the BL stuff, it might just be formations etc in the new campaign or a full FT supplement, if it is it'll be the first time a successor chapter was the focus of a supplement.

Mother of...

Haha! Whoops. Really should proof read my posts. Fight the Nids, I meant Nids!

D

Master Anake-AAAARRRRRGGHHHH!..

I feel like I've already posted in one of these threads, but maybe that's just déjà vu, so here goes again.

Things that are certain:
Scouts and tacticals -2 points a head
Assault, vanguard and sternguard -1 point a head.
Vet sarges optional.
All FOC changes vanish (Astorath on death company, Dante on sanguinary guard.)
Vanguard vets change to crappy version of heroic intervention.
Some formation, some alternate FOC, some relics, psychic power table, some wl traits.

Guesses:
-Mephy goes lord of war
-corbulo gets nerfed
-priests become like meks from orks, not IC's and perma-join units at deployment.
-glaive encarmines get slightly better. Note this is the only sanguinary guard buff.
-DC cost a little more, their jump packs cost less.
-red thirst will be a blanket effect instead of random. Most likely just furious charge, and maybe get fearless after winning a melee.
-formation will involve jump packs and first turn deep strikes.
-FOC will allow a ton of elites.
-Dante will lose debuff because it "doesn't feel fair." No scatter becomes his wl trait. Will be worse off than before and still cost too much. Despite literally every BA player saying it for years, they still won't give him EW.
-Tycho will vanish
-relics will be tycho's combi melta, a jump pack, a spear, and some termie armor referencing space hulk somehow.
-psychic power chart will suck. Wings won't be the Primaris, so you won't be able to count on getting it.
-furioso blenderclaws take one set of bonus attacks and stop.
-option to make some units death company versions.

I definitely don't see anyone screaming BA are overpowered in the near future, that's for sure.
But on the plus side, I don't think it can get much worse than now.