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Out of the two, which one would you guys pick in game terms and background reasons? (As a stand alone codex; not including ally options) and the reason I'm asking this now is because Grey knights had so much stuff taken out the book, I was just wondering with blood angels still having more options surely?

I know the Blood angels are due an update so it will fluctuate from now until the new dex is released. But as history shows them.

I've read an article on Dakkaforum recently that shows that between CSM and blood angles , that blood angels are a fairly weak dex, with the main advantage being their ally options. I'm not saying this to be true as I know little about both armies but surely it's the same?

Also what I've heard is that with the abundance of ap3 weaponry, grey knights struggle as their quite a bit more costly then blood angels, seen with an older dex.

As I've stated prior, I don't really have much knowledge on either chapter, just what I've read from the forum's and told from staff.

Thank you guys

I hate grey knights fluff. They're perfect Gary Stu's.
I love BA fluff. They actually have flaws, even apart from the red thirst and black rage.

On the table, I feel like the GK are stronger, but have less varied lists. On the flipside, as BA I can run all kinds of crazy lists, like all death company, tons of dreadnoughts, bunch of razorbacks, bunch of land raiders, bunch of jump packs, bunch of jump packs with arty armor, stormshields in stormravens, etc etc.

Not many of those lists are very strong, but I love the design freedom.

I dunno I like the idea of elite space marines. The most elite of the elite...elite.. but I'm not a huge fan of the lack of options.. We don't play competitive either. So choosing the same stuff be it viable or not, would bore the hell out me :/

Plus I'd choose Mephiston over Draigo any day how do BA field so many dreads??

 Andy140491 wrote:
how do BA field so many dreads??

Furiosos and Furioso librarians (essentially our venerables) are elites. Our normals are heavies. Lastly, for each 5 death company in your army, you can take a death company dreadnought as a troop. Therefore 25 DC, 5 DC dreads, 3 furiosos, and 3 normal 'noughts is totally within a single force org.

I am the only person who likes grey knights. i like them more than blood angels, because blood angels bore me for some reason.

Neither faction has had stellar writing the last few years, their fluff has been handled very poorly.

That said, on a personal level, I rarely, if ever, have fun games against BA's, though it's almost always been because of the opponent. My BA opponents for some reason always seem to be either outright cheaters, TFG's, or just plain pissy for no reason. Not sure if it's the army or just the opponents I've managed to draw.

GK's to me are much more interesting. BA's seem to have lost a lot of their focus. Originally BA's were a largely codex-adherent chapter with a flaw that sometimes made them crazy and a had a single devastating CC unit and a penchant for speed and jump marines. Now they still try to do that, but also try to be the walker-spam army, the SM equivalent of battle-tank spam, psyker spam, etc, and, much like Space Wolves, it comes off poorly, like someone wanting their favorite chapter to be the "bestest at everything!".

GK's, on the other hand, still have a fairly clearly define role and focus, truly unique wargear (as opposed to just taking common weapons and renaming them something with the word "blood" in it...like DCCW's and "Blood Fists"), and who doesn't like Terminators as Troops?

I love my Grey Knights, I really do. But, if I could only pick one of the two to play 40K with (if I had no other armies to play with), then I would pick BA. The latest GK codex just made playing GK so incredibly boring by whittling our options down to a mere handful of good choices.

I've heard GK termies are so expensive though.. even if you can have them for troops but I see your point.

GK have their own equipment with unique rules. Rather then "grey" plastered in front of it and saying it's different.

I don't think it's a great idea basing an entire armies on WAAC players. I refuse to play one of my friends friends because he always spits his dummy out when he loses. Doesn't mean I hate tau... I hate tau for entirely different reasons

I'm a big fan of the BA.

I love a bit of tragedy. Sanguinious going to fight Horus despite knowing he wouldn't return. The flaw in the chapter that haunts them. Despite being one of the oldest and most noble space marine chapter many of their successor chapters seem to be teetering on the edge of heresy.



My favourite BA story is the fluff for captain Tycho, a promising captain, tipped to one day lead the chapter is disfigured in battle by an Ork weirdboy his hated for the ork race eventually causes him fall to the black rage, described the the codex that it's a grim reminded that even the best and brightest amount them can still fall.

Yeah, I think the BA are brilliant.

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
I'm a big fan of the BA.

I love a bit of tragedy. Sanguinious going to fight Horus despite knowing he wouldn't return. The flaw in the chapter that haunts them. Despite being one of the oldest and most noble space marine chapter many of their successor chapters seem to be teetering on the edge of heresy.



My favourite BA story is the fluff for captain Tycho, a promising captain, tipped to one day lead the chapter is disfigured in battle by an Ork weirdboy his hated for the ork race eventually causes him fall to the black rage, described the the codex that i

t's a grim reminded that even the best and brightest amount them can still fall.

Yeah, I think the BA are brilliant.

D

I still like the grey knights idea of being totally Un corrupt able though. They just seem mega bad ass. Regarding rules though, I think it does suck how most of the relics and warlord traits are anti demons. Now don't get me wrong I understand that... but it's a shame they don't have a rule where it makes you re roll invuls or something like that. So it would mainly effect daemons. I'm just too impatient to wait for BA to appear. I've heard to rumours to be release in December, but does anyone have an inkling to when we may see them in the white dwarf or online??

Also keep in mind that the BA's also will likely get the same treatment SW's and GK's got, so they're likely to lose a couple things and have some cost increases on some things.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Also keep in mind that the BA's also will likely get the same treatment SW's and GK's got, so they're likely to lose a couple things and have some cost increases on some things.

I highly doubt it. Everything GKs and SWs lost were either because those units/characters didn't have a model in print or in GK's case they were put in the Inquisition codex instead. Everything in the Blood Angel codex has an up to date model including all of their special characters so they don't have any units to lose.

I vote Grey Angels.

I feel the Blood Angels are exceptionally dull as a force. Vampires on speed just seem... pffft.

Grey Knights, while they have lost a fair amount of fluff and many units, still strike me as a more interesting force. They have more variety and more clear differences compared to other forces (BA are essentially just SM painted red)

Plus this whole deal with the depressive BA going all emotional and painting their armour black just doesn't do it for me. Too much teenage angst and daddy issues

well I play grey knights so proably grey knights.

How are grey knights as a stand alone dex though? All the units technically look the same.. With slight variation. And the rules are just anti daemons? I'm asking because I'm still really interested ^^ I love the models and I love the idea. But I just hear they aren't up to scratch


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Plus reading all the reviews on Grey Knights, they all indicate the grey knights have too many flaws without being allied. They need allies to fill the holes in the army.

Grey Knights really need to be played with an Inquisitorial detachment and possibly an assassin or two. On it's own the force is relatively lack-luster with only past glories in the last codex and fluff keeping it afloat. With the Inquisitorial detachment and assassins you will essentially have the original (and far more flexible) detachment.

For added fun, stick in a Grey Knight painted Knight Titan.

I'm really not bothered about the imperial knights. At all. But I may consider an assassin or two. Where can you get the rules for them or the inquisition?

Assassins :
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/dataslate-officio-assassinorum-ebook_.html

Inquisition:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Inquisition-eBook-_Edition.html

Edit: There isn't a book for either expansion that I'm aware of

Well, I have both a GK and a BA army.
However, I've shelved BA for obvious reasons.
On the other hand, GK is a decent army to play, hard hitting, and fast if you do it right.
Therefore, I'd go for GK despite the fact a new BA codex is coming out soon.
BA lost an edge. They were good in the 3rd ed.

Well I'm maining Dark eldar to be honest. This secondary army is just going to be a little project I suppose that I can occasionally have some fun with.

I LOVE the grey knight models. Albeit it very limited, I love the ones that are available. I like the idea of them being elite, and all psykers. I didn't want to have to ally them, but now that I realise that the assassins and Inquisition are only data slates, that doesn't really bother me..

Obviously though.. With the blood angels being released, I was just hoping that they'd be a very varied version of space marines, but I don't know whether I was just getting my hopes up.

Are grey knights really as bad as people say they are though "they die just as easily as space marines and are twice the cost"
"Paladins are way too expensive and the draigo star is awful"
"All their gear, and warlord traits are too situational to be effective"
"They have no way to effectively deal with high armour and their long range fire sucks!"... trying to read up on GK has become very disheartening. And with all the love (more then likely rightly so) for blood angels, it's kinda tipped me one way, but surely if I'm after a unique space marine force, GK are the way to go?

In general, those that complain either don't know, or are unwilling to learn the tactics for the units. This leads to lots of complaints.

There are issues, but not as dramatic as people in general make out

Game Terms

I choose BA - while not competitive they're fun and varied in their lists, GK aren't either unless you take allies which at that point you should make the allies the primary force and ally the GK.

Me and a friend got into the hobby with a GK and BA army respectively. Hurts to see our codex like they are.

Background

GK - A elite force that the specialty of is fighting daemons? And they're all psykers? You got me sold. BA fluff doesn't really hit me the same way, theres already other legions out there with the love of ripping and tearing. And who do it better (Carcharodons).

Yeah I think that's my problem :/ I much prefer the theme of GK. And like that saying goes "models remain, rules change." And I much prefer the look of grey knights. Even if they aren't that good in game :/


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Plus it's comments and reviews like this.. that really put me off :/

Watch "7th Edition Grey Knight Codex Review" on YouTube
7th Edition Grey Knight Codex Review: http://youtu.be/_NDjKWOCcpk

Don't go GK, they have a very bad reputation for taking extremely cheesy lists. GK fluff is terrible and they are so OP, especially the DK. The codex needs to be nerfed so much!

SGTPozy wrote:
Don't go GK, they have a very bad reputation for taking extremely cheesy lists. GK fluff is terrible and they are so OP, especially the DK. The codex needs to be nerfed so much!

Well, GK is not the worst army out there and the lists can be handled.
BA have a bad reputation for being one of the most underwhelming armies out there.

Arnt ba due for an update? I'd say to wait for their release but i too wouldn't advise gk, its a very boring army to play/ play against with the net lists that seem to be played by everyone.

Aswell who wouldnt prefer vampires over a bunch of boring emotionless poo faces :p


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 wuestenfux wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
Don't go GK, they have a very bad reputation for taking extremely cheesy lists. GK fluff is terrible and they are so OP, especially the DK. The codex needs to be nerfed so much!

Well, GK is not the worst army out there and the lists can be handled.
BA have a bad reputation for being one of the most underwhelming armies out there.

The BA reputation is likely to change when they (eventually) get updated and brought into line. GK is definitely a top-tier army, when Eldar gets nerfed, GKs will definitely be in the top 3.

I personally like the idea of the elitest of the elite though. The untainted. I love the idea and I love the models so much. The only thing I didn't like about them was the fact that I heard they sacked! So many people say how bad they are.. how are they in the top 3 armies?? There's even a phrase that an army may get 'grey knighted' which I assumed was gutted.

The models will stay the same, where the rules may change.. surely?

I'm still open to ideas though.. I've never really considered blood angels, until I heard of the new release.. I was just really hoping for a unique chapter of the space marines

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Plus like I said earlier. My main army is dark eldar. This is only going to be a little side project I was toying with.

They don't have many options but the options they do have kick ass! DK are super cheesey and under costed, they destroy anything and everything.
They WILL be top 3, of course they aren't yet, but they will be.

I've always been a fan of the BAngles.