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I bust out the hive fleet Nightmare once again against the horror that is mister Coopers serpant spam.

Please enjoy!

really good report that, I liked the introduction and the bits in between top and bottom of turns. Nice to see your practicing hard, I'm not too fussed about serpent spam with my ad lance, but I am scared of nids, I've got next to no anti air. I don't know if death from the skies rules will be used. Also you should burrow the mawlocs more often, their greatest strength is the their pie plate deep strike shenanigan.

Just a couple of things:
1) Caly uses modified maelstrom, they've adopted the ETC format. So that's something you might want to check out. You might of spotted it, just note that it's not D3 victory points, instead they've put those cards at 2 victory points.

2) your nid list, can I suggest a similar list that you might want to try out. Since your using the new detachment, with no objective secured, troops aren't necessary. So maybe try this:
flyrant 2X devourers, E.Grubs Fighter Ace
flyrant 2X devourers, E.Grubs
flyrant 2X devourers, E.Grubs
mucolid spore
mucolid spore
mucolid spore
lictor
lictor
malanthrope
Dimachaeron + Tyrannocyte
Hive Crone
3 Spore Mines
Mawloc
Mawloc
Mawloc

Just an idea really, might be worth trying out.

Totally missed that bit about the D3 cards being auto 2 pts.


Cheers for the heads up and thanks for the feedback! Triple Mawloc's scare me because they are not reliable enough for my liking. Fex in a pod however is just beautiful.

Fair enough, it's a shame you can't take a fortification with the new detachment, because without a comms relay, there's no reliable way to get your reserves in, while staying competitive. And considering the new release of pods, it's a slight drawback. The lictors were in there for pin point deep striking with the mawlocs. But a carnifex could work now with a tyrannocyte. Also consider trying to fit a lictor in there, for no scattering with the pods, but it's less of an issue with the pods.

Yeah it was a lucky catch with maelstrom cards, the last tournament I went to used the same ETC maelstrom and eternal war missions set up, not the same order of missions but with eternal war and maelstrom combined. So that's why I spotted D3 VP issue.

Minimanj wrote:
Fair enough, it's a shame you can't take a fortification with the new detachment, because without a comms relay, there's no reliable way to get your reserves in, while staying competitive. And considering the new release of pods, it's a slight drawback. The lictors were in there for pin point deep striking with the mawlocs. But a carnifex could work now with a tyrannocyte. Also consider trying to fit a lictor in there, for no scattering with the pods, but it's less of an issue with the pods.

Yeah it was a lucky catch with maelstrom cards, the last tournament I went to used the same ETC maelstrom and eternal war missions set up, not the same order of missions but with eternal war and maelstrom combined. So that's why I spotted D3 VP issue.

With the Hive Fleet detachment you have to roll on Leviathan Warlord traits, one of which gives +1 to reserve rolls. There's also lots of testing going on by veteran Nid players with Swarmlord who gives +1 to reserves too.

Said this in Nid Tactica thread but awesome battle

 Frozocrone wrote:

Minimanj wrote:
Fair enough, it's a shame you can't take a fortification with the new detachment, because without a comms relay, there's no reliable way to get your reserves in, while staying competitive. And considering the new release of pods, it's a slight drawback. The lictors were in there for pin point deep striking with the mawlocs. But a carnifex could work now with a tyrannocyte. Also consider trying to fit a lictor in there, for no scattering with the pods, but it's less of an issue with the pods.

Yeah it was a lucky catch with maelstrom cards, the last tournament I went to used the same ETC maelstrom and eternal war missions set up, not the same order of missions but with eternal war and maelstrom combined. So that's why I spotted D3 VP issue.

With the Hive Fleet detachment you have to roll on Leviathan Warlord traits, one of which gives +1 to reserve rolls. There's also lots of testing going on by veteran Nid players with Swarmlord who gives +1 to reserves too.

Said this in Nid Tactica thread but awesome battle

I have to say, results 1-3 on the leviathan warlord traits are all innately useful. 4 is probably the worst one because it requires your warlord (usually a flyrant) to lose its biggest advantage of flight in order to benefit from. digestive denial can be useful if you're playing vs an opponent with scouts or other cover-hugging units like heavy weapon teams. and 6 is OK, because feel no pain is a great rule to have but losing a wound to achieve it is meh. That one couples well if you happen to roll a 3-4 on the fighter ace upgrade on your warlord. Overall I like the leviathan warlord table.

 Frozocrone wrote:

Minimanj wrote:
Fair enough, it's a shame you can't take a fortification with the new detachment, because without a comms relay, there's no reliable way to get your reserves in, while staying competitive. And considering the new release of pods, it's a slight drawback. The lictors were in there for pin point deep striking with the mawlocs. But a carnifex could work now with a tyrannocyte. Also consider trying to fit a lictor in there, for no scattering with the pods, but it's less of an issue with the pods.

Yeah it was a lucky catch with maelstrom cards, the last tournament I went to used the same ETC maelstrom and eternal war missions set up, not the same order of missions but with eternal war and maelstrom combined. So that's why I spotted D3 VP issue.

With the Hive Fleet detachment you have to roll on Leviathan Warlord traits, one of which gives +1 to reserve rolls. There's also lots of testing going on by veteran Nid players with Swarmlord who gives +1 to reserves too.

Said this in Nid Tactica thread but awesome battle

I joke about it but no, Swarmlord is not a worthwhile investment.
At almost 300 pts tax for PE it is not worth it, no matter how hard you try to sugar coat it.

It's pretty much as good as a toxicrene;
It sounds great on paper, but in reality it won't make its points back/ earn its worth- but that's another off topic story for another thread!

I have to disagree, Swarmy is areas denial and with a malenthrope in the list he is pretty durable. People lean on the flyrant as a crutch a bit so it seems like they are the only choice but they really aren't especially depending on mission.

The Eldar list was a bit odd IMHO as well. If your going to spam serpents you really need to take a pair of wraith knights to protect them from assault. Also not sure why he wasn't finishing off your spods and mawlocs considering they were big gun points.

Good video format though, it's a good length with decent editing. My only personal complaint is that horrid POD rubbish you blast at the start and end If your gona troll go for the throat and blast some Nickleback

 Red Corsair wrote:
I have to disagree, Swarmy is areas denial and with a malenthrope in the list he is pretty durable. People lean on the flyrant as a crutch a bit so it seems like they are the only choice but they really aren't especially depending on mission.

The Eldar list was a bit odd IMHO as well. If your going to spam serpents you really need to take a pair of wraith knights to protect them from assault. Also not sure why he wasn't finishing off your spods and mawlocs considering they were big gun points.

Good video format though, it's a good length with decent editing. My only personal complaint is that horrid POD rubbish you blast at the start and end If your gona troll go for the throat and blast some Nickleback

Swarmlord has his uses but they are slim and at a greater cost. A dimacheron is just better all round. Competitive nid players lean on Flyrants in the same way chaos players lean on greater demons, marine players lean on CM on bikes, eldar players on farseers. It's the best HQ option we have and probably the best unit we have in our book. that's why sacrificing a slot for swarmlord just isn't a viable option.



Matt did use to run with wraith Knights in his eldar list but preferred an all around eldar skimmer army. Also, he tried to bring down the Mawloc's, several times but I got lucky with my saves and then kept one of them locked down in combat. ( not out of choice! Haha)


POD is the boy!!! we will look at alternative options for the into though, thanks for the feedback!

This battle gives Tyranid players all around a lot of inspiration. Then again, it may be the new norm when you can run 3-5 flyrants/HQ's nowadays. Gone are the days where bugs were a "non-competitive" army. From now on, we are going to rock!

 jy2 wrote:
This battle gives Tyranid players all around a lot of inspiration. Then again, it may be the new norm when you can run 3-5 flyrants/HQ's nowadays. Gone are the days where bugs were a "non-competitive" army. From now on, we are going to rock!

Hoorah! You got it in one dude, I love where we are right now. The last thing I'm waiting for is a cheaper( pts wise), plastic LOW that can go toe to toe with a Knight.

I'm sure that will come sometime within the next year though.