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I'm trying to get a feel for how valuable lore and appearance is to players when compared to the strength of an army. Basically what peoples thresholds are for "I love this army but I'd also like to win a game every now and then"

I mean, it depends on how you play each army.

 goblinking201 wrote:
I mean, it depends on how you play each army.

Certainly, but I think everyone can agree that certain factions of the CSM codex are more powerful than others.

 changerofways wrote:

 goblinking201 wrote:
I mean, it depends on how you play each army.

Certainly, but I think everyone can agree that certain factions of the CSM codex are more powerful than others.

I mean if we are talking about flat power, its hard to pass up AP 3 bolters from the TS.

I love the Night Lords, but I play Thousand Sons.

 goblinking201 wrote:

 changerofways wrote:

 goblinking201 wrote:
I mean, it depends on how you play each army.

Certainly, but I think everyone can agree that certain factions of the CSM codex are more powerful than others.

I mean if we are talking about flat power, its hard to pass up AP 3 bolters from the TS.

At 23 points a pop and a 60 point sergeant? I'd much rather take a Plague Marine for one more point and a lower cost sergeant.

 changerofways wrote:

 goblinking201 wrote:

 changerofways wrote:

 goblinking201 wrote:
I mean, it depends on how you play each army.

Certainly, but I think everyone can agree that certain factions of the CSM codex are more powerful than others.

I mean if we are talking about flat power, its hard to pass up AP 3 bolters from the TS.

At 23 points a pop and a 60 point sergeant? I'd much rather take a Plague Marine for one more point and a lower cost sergeant.

If you want to talk points wise, I bet PM are the best in the book to be honest. I myself just love AP 3.

I play Word Bearers, so I guess undivided. Feels like you're trying very to take Blacksails next poll. Petty dude.

I run Marduk as counts as Abby.

I chose Death Guard and Death Guard. Loves them, but fear for the future of our army with next codex!

 Lobukia wrote:
Feels like you're trying very to take Blacksails next poll. Petty dude.

What? There is a similar topic going on somewhere? Give me a link please!

EDIT: Do you mean the "what is your least favorite loyalist chapter" thread?

If it ain't Tzeentch, I ain't interested.

I like undivided, Black Legion for life.

Our local CSM player made a few awesome birdy tzeenchian spawns. They've got MON on tabletop for known reasons.

My friend loves Khorne to death.

So his lord is a Khornate, his standard CSM andd oblits are marked by Nurgle and he has a few Noise Marines to offer ranged support

Arguably, they're using death (eh eh)metal and viking metal and he says they're newly converted to Khorne.

Speaking of death metal, my local GW manager converted some grots to guitarists and gave a regular noise marine a drum set for part of his noise marine force.

On topic, Khorne and Slaanesh are my favorite gods, but I tend to play Nurgle for the toughness. Noise Marines make for fun shooting though

 Siberiandreamer wrote:
If it ain't Tzeentch, I ain't interested.

Amen!

I prefer Undivided seeing as one Cult can compensate for another one's weaknesses (But I'll admit that out of the four, I like Plague Marines the most)

I don't play based on chapters, but on the chaos powers. My largest and most favorite army in my chaos horde is my khorne army. I have been adding parts to it and modding it over the last 25 years. I play it often because it is my favorite. I also have CSM forces dedicated to the other powers too, and enjoy playing them as well, as they each have a bit of a different approach based on the special abilities granted by their patrons. I play in a group that is geared towards fluff forces and not just on what will win all the time. So I am not stymied by, say, a love for Slaanesh in the fluff, but only play nurgle forces because everything else sucks. Just not the way my group nor I play so it is never an issue for me. In a WAAC cost environment only the most powerful stuff will hit the table top, and I just make it a point not to bother playing in such environments so I can enjoy all my chaos forces.

Skriker

I play undivided, with a focus on Alpha Legion and Death Guard. There's a mix of Emperor's Children and Black Legion in my stock as well. My favorite chaos god? I waffle between Nurgle and Slaanesh.

Why do I like and play these? I dig the fluff behind those gods and enjoy painting those marines the most.

My Daemons force is normally undivided as well. I find in both armies different marks/daemons fill different roles depending on the patron.

I'm starting to see a slight leaning towards playing undivided and deathguard armies, but it is not as significant as I thought it would be! It warms me to see this

I like Tzeencth the best, and I play Tzeencth for CSM.

However, I also like Khorne, and if I ever did a Daemon army, it would be mono-Khorne in all likelihood, as I'm not overly fond of several of the Tzeencth daemon models.

I have always had a fondness for Nurgle and Slaanesh going back to the days of the first two Realm of Chaos books.

I don't mind Tzeentch in theory and Khorne I think is boring and uninteresting personally. Simple violence can be achieved by using any other army there is nothing, IMO, original or interesting about him.

I play with figures which suit a) my old-fashioned conception of the gods and their relationships. This leaves only two able to work together: Slaanesh and Nurgle. This is simply lucky for me as those have always been my favourites. I'm no fan of the Khorne bezerker models but I won't use anything Khornate anyway. I like the idea of Tzeentch but for me personally the aesthetics of the Tzeentch models is all wrong. I like the pre HH Thousand Sons with the lovely red and the simple designs, the current TS models just turn me right off with the silly crests. As for Tzeentch daemons I always thought they look like kids' toys not menacing or horrific monsters. Mind you the beast of Nurgle is a terrible sculpt too as are the fiends of Slaanesh.

I take the same approach to daemons.

So to cut it short I field what suits my ancient nearly 30 year old conception of the gods and what they are together with the aesthetic. This doesn't lead to a very effective army but it looks good and is fun to play.

Yeah the khorne berserker models are crap unless you chop the stupid bunny ears off the helmets and then they actually aren't too bad. Chopping off the bunny ears actually makes the skull helmets look decent for a change.

My daemon armies are Khorne/Nurgle and Slaanesh/Tzeentch also because of maintaining the split between the chaos powers and not allowing nurgle/tzeentch or slaanesh/khorne to mix at all. IMHO the original Realms of Chaos hardbacks were two of the best gaming supplements ever written.

Skriker

Boo! Boo for not having Night Lords a choice! We are not merely Chaos Undivided, we are Devided Chaos! But really I play a Night Lords Black Legion mix.

I play Black Legion and like the thought they have all these cults within. So it's not really undivided, it's multi-worshipping.

I don't like to exclude unit options for fluff reasons (or bend over backwards to justify them fluffwise to myself) so I rarely run "mono-god" lists. I'm typically painting my stuff Night Lords or Word Bearers. An unlikely match-up to explain but not as bad as a khornate band with sonic blasters.

My pact is with the Changer of Ways and I run Thousand Sons with Tzeentch Daemon Allies (poorly).

Drasius wrote:
My pact is with the Changer of Ways and I run Thousand Sons with Tzeentch Daemon Allies (poorly).

Do not give up! I would be happy to give advice if you are looking for some.

I play Alpha Legion, so Chaos Undivided.

 changerofways wrote:

 goblinking201 wrote:

 changerofways wrote:

 goblinking201 wrote:
I mean, it depends on how you play each army.

Certainly, but I think everyone can agree that certain factions of the CSM codex are more powerful than others.

I mean if we are talking about flat power, its hard to pass up AP 3 bolters from the TS.

At 23 points a pop and a 60 point sergeant? I'd much rather take a Plague Marine for one more point and a lower cost sergeant.

I did the maths comparing Thousand Sons to CSMs. The tl;dr is that they aren't as bad as people make them out to be, but really need to be fighting MEQs.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/621919.page

I play Tzeentch - lite (Ahriman + friends and heralds and such), but I love using Noise marines and having my sexy purple soldiers on the table. I do play both but never play either mono - god and wish I could play a Khorne list that I would feel would have a good chance of getting across the table.