What is the best LRBT type in 7th edition?

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**jim300**

Yeah, there is too many type of leman russ in 40k.

And now we should think about the tank commander's order too.(or divination which is now more reliable for IG)

I quite sure that there is the another topic about this in forum. But there is too many topic about Leman russ, I can't find it.

What is your opinion about this?

**carldooley**

magnetize. the LRMBT is always a good tank to bring to a knife fight. I also have a soft spot in my heart for the executioner.

**grendel083**

There is no "best".

There's the right tool for the right job.

What job do you need the tank to preform?

**Sir Arun**

I think the stock LRBT with no side sponsons and hull mounted heavy flamer is still the best.

Cheap, has some form of defense against being swarmed at close range, has a really long range gun with good S (insta-kill MEQ) and good AP (anything but terminators better be in cover) and can also be used to put a hull point on an enemy vehicle if need be to finish it off.

**CREEEEEEEEED**

The normal variant and the eradicator with bolter sponsons are the only ones worth taking from the heavy support choice (so I'm not talking about tank commander or pask).
This is because if you are fighting spess marines usually (and lets face it, we all are), then S8 Ap3 Large Blast is great.
But for any non MEQs, the eradicator is the best tank, and here's why:
The LRBTs are just not very good against other armour, they all fire blasts or one shot, and punisher's are terrible without Pask's rending for basically all roles.(Las and Auto heavy weapons teams are the best ant-tank option)
This means you want the perfect non MEQ infantry killer, so it comes down to the Eradicator and Punisher.
The punisher gatling gun has to roll to hit, and then at S5 AP- it doesn't instakill, gives armour saves, feel not pain rolls, and cover saves.
Whereas the nova cannon is longer range, S6 AP4 and ignores cover. This will insta-kill any non MEQ infantry (denying FNP to those pesky zombies), near guaranteed, unless you have a bad scatter.
Then you have 9 S5 AP4 shots for extra anti infantry fire.

Basically I f

ing hate how overated the punisher is. (But with pask it becomes really good, but that's an extra 45 points or something)

(one minor edit of plural and singular, and some larger edits of adding stuff)

**Sir Arun**

yeah the Eradicator is bawss. It was already decently priced in the old IG codex, no idea why GW made it even cheaper. Leman Russ chassis for 120 is a steal. And one that wrecks non-MEQ armies to boot.

7th has made non-Pask Vanquisher suck hard (hell, even with Pask it's a waste on him, and barely worth it in his squad). And the Exterminator has always sucked, just less now that ordnance russes can only snapfire their other weapons, making the exterminator kinda okayish if you give it MMs and Las and use it to project an area-denial zone for incoming enemy mech armies.

**TheSilo**

Eradicator with lascannon and HBs is my go to Swiss army tank. Cheap, tough, and devastating to anything 4+ or worse. Could prolly be improved with better sponsons, but my model was assembled years ago.

I alternate with LRBT and demolisher as my second tank. The demolisher is wonderful when he works, but often I can just ignore that 2+ Death Star when I've got so many units to take objectives.

Has anyone ever actually run an exterminator? Remember when it was 175 points with just a twin linked autocannon? Lol.

**WellSpokenMan**

Eradicator hands down. It's the cheapest, and with all the customization options, you can kit it out really nicely. Ignores Cover is great too.

Factoring in Pask or some other commander changes things a bit. So does Kurov's Aquilla, but all things equal the Eradicator is the best.

**Mavnas**

I took one look at the Eradicator and never considered it again. A single AP4 blast won't do much to MEQ and I just don't face that many things without at 3+.

If you can twinlink the executioner and give it 5 S7 AP2 blasts it will make a bigger mess of any infantry squad and still threaten light vehicles.

**WellSpokenMan**

Mavnas wrote:
I took one look at the Eradicator and never considered it again. A single AP4 blast won't do much to MEQ and I just don't face that many things without at 3+.

If you can twinlink the executioner and give it 5 S7 AP2 blasts it will make a bigger mess of any infantry squad and still threaten light vehicles.

Give the Eradicator a Lascannon and 2 MM and it is still only 150 pts. If you've invested in PE or some other re-roll, then the Executioner is a beast. Even without those it is still quite good if you run it slick, but I still think the Eradicator is better for the points.

**Ratius**

What are your guys views on the Executioner with side plasmas?

**WellSpokenMan**

Ratius wrote:
What are your guys views on the Executioner with side plasmas?

Great with Pask's PE, Kurov's Aquila's PE, or some other kind of re-roll. Otherwise you'll shoot your eye out. A 1 in 12 chance to Get Hot x3 every turn. So 1 in 4. Most likely though you will burn at least one HP. It's OK without sponsons, but if you increase the cost by 30pts and take off a HP I don't think it's a great deal for just two more plasma blasts. 15pt plasma guns are not hard to come by after all.

**CrownAxe**

Plasmacutioners with Plasma sponsons need to make 5 gets hot tests

**IHateNids**

The main gun doesn't get hot, unless that was nerfed

**CrownAxe**

IHateNids wrote:
The main gun doesn't get hot, unless that was nerfed

The main gun now has Gets Hot and Gets Hot is per blast, not per weapon

**ultimentra**

What do you guys think is Guards best tool to kill AV13-14? Lascannons? The Vanquisher?

**Mavnas**

ultimentra wrote:
What do you guys think is Guards best tool to kill AV13-14? Lascannons? The Vanquisher?

Pask Punisher with melta sponsons and lascannon.

**Nightlord1987**

I've always loved the standard LRBT strictly from a aesthetic POV and the Eradicator for a non-ordinance Large Blast Ignores Cover that can still utilize side sponsons.

**UnadoptedPuppy**

I use four types:

1. Demolishers, no sponson weapons.
-Destroys all but air. Greatest fear factor.

2. Executioners, plasma cannon sponsons
-Go to TEQ/MEQ killer. Expensive, but I've never been disappointed. Huge fear factor

3. Exterminators, hull Lascannon and sponson Multi-meltas.
-Excels in tearing up light armor, but useful against pretty much everything. Known to take down fliers in a pinch. Some prefer plasma cannon sponsons, but I leave those to the Executioners

4. Eradicators, bolters all around.
-Simply removes anything less than MEQ. Loads wounds on MEQ and better. So cheap for what it does.

I always ran two Vanquishers as HQs with the Armored Battlegroup list, but they haven't adjusted their Russ point costs yet. Generally avoided in the AM dex because of BS3.

**koooaei**

ultimentra wrote:
What do you guys think is Guards best tool to kill AV13-14? Lascannons? The Vanquisher?

Meltagunz and meltabombz.

**UltraTacSgt**

I like the Eradicator with HB, Heavy Stubber, and MM sponsors.

It is an affordable generalist that can engage anything. Some people don't like generalists but I play SM, so I am well versed in generalist tactics.

In my last local tournament my Eradicator finished off an Imperial Knight with its MM in one game and mercilessly pounded eldar scum in other games.

**throwoff**

The standard battle tank is always the model I see the most on the tables. I have a soft spot for the punisher although it's AP - means even cultists get a save, you only need our opponent to roll well and a bunch survive.

If the punisher was AP 5 it would be the ultimate anti horde tank!

**More Dakka**

Pask in a Punisher with LC and MM on the sides is my fav right now, towing along an Executioner buddy with plasma sponsons.

**vipoid**

CrownAxe wrote:
Plasmacutioners with Plasma sponsons need to make 5 gets hot tests

This is still my go-to tank.

It might occasionally kill itself, but the damage it deals prior to that is just devastating. Also, what I like about it compared to the Battle Tank (other than the ability to hurt things with 2+ saves) is that it has enough shots to threaten MCs and vehicles, should the need arise.

Other LRs I've used:

- Vanquisher: Probably not using again. Mine can't hit the broad side of a barn-door, and doesn't do anything even when it does hit.

- Exterminator: I was about to say that this one had impressed me... than I remembered that everything it's done that was noteworthy was down to its multi-melta sponsons, rather than its main gun. I might quietly phase this one out as well.

- Demolisher: Why is nothing ever in range...?

**Big Blind Bill**

In a command squad it would be pask in a punisher, with an executioner in his squad to benefit from re-rolling those "gets hot!" rolls.

Outside of the command squad I would go with the eradicator. Great value for its price.

Bottom of the list imo are the ordnance weapon tanks.