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Ok so, I'm fairly sure this must have come up somewhere before, probably under a different army that has non-scoring troops, but as I dont know what they might be offhand it's made it very difficult to aim my google-fu.

So I thought I would put it up here and see if there was a quick answer, or if its one of those questions thats still under debate

Deff Dreads in a FW dread mob army are troops, but they still have a line in their specific rules that says they "do not count as scoring units".

However, if I then play them in a CAD, the special rules for CAD says that "ALL troops units have objective secured".

So... whats does this mean for the dreads?



To me, it sounds like they can't score an objective themselves, but if they are on an objective they can prevent the opponent from scoring unless he uses troops with obsec.

You are exactly correct. They can't score, but they can prevent enemy units from scoring as they do, in fact, have the Objective Secured rule.

 Kriswall wrote:
You are exactly correct. They can't score, but they can prevent enemy units from scoring as they do, in fact, have the Objective Secured rule.

Not so.

ObjSec lets them control, even if another unit's closer, but their rule prevents them controlling.
They prevent by controlling, which means they do exactly nothing as they can't control.

 grendel083 wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
You are exactly correct. They can't score, but they can prevent enemy units from scoring as they do, in fact, have the Objective Secured rule.

Not so.

ObjSec lets them control, even if another unit's closer, but their rule prevents them controlling.
They prevent by controlling, which means they do exactly nothing as they can't control.

Hmm, well the rule says they can't score, it doesn't mention anything about being unable to prevent scoring. They dont prevent scoring by "control" (which I dont think is a term in the rulebook), they prevent it by having the ObSec rule and being on the objective.

This is how it seems to read anyway.

See "Controlling Objectives".
You need to be Scoring to do so, hence the use of the term "control".

You can't prevent Scoring. You can only prevent a unit controlling an objective.
An ObjSec unit prevents a unit controlling an objective, by controlling it themselves. Somthing the unit in question cannot do.

 grendel083 wrote:
See "Controlling Objectives".
You need to be Scoring to do so, hence the use of the term "control".

You can't prevent Scoring. You can only prevent a unit controlling an objective.
An ObjSec unit prevents a unit controlling an objective, by controlling it themselves. Somthing the unit in question cannot do.

That doesn't make any sense. By that logic opposing units with both ObjSec would both control the objective

Actually, I reread the rules in question. I agree with Grendel. I didn't realize you had to be scoring to be able to control. I thought the Dredds could control, but simply wouldn't score from being in control.