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Better wait for an unboxing of the Stormhawk... but since early 2015 every 40k kit has come with its datasheet(s) in the construction manual. This may have changed but it has been the norm.

If I recall correctly, wasn't the first death from the skies released the same year flyers were brought into the brb?

Which is interesting since I think I read a rumor were they were basically going to release a 7.5 brb in the fall.

So the way I see it playing out will be just like last time. People will pledge to ignore it and then will be forced to use it when they get rolled to a new rule book.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Better wait for an unboxing of the Stormhawk... but since early 2015 every 40k kit has come with its datasheet(s) in the construction manual. This may have changed but it has been the norm.

That is certainly true. It will need either a second set of instructions or new instructions. Seems like a good place for them. The fact that all the weapons besides the Las-Talon have known stats (though the Icarus Stormcannon isn't in an array so that changes things) makes that a viable option.

 godswildcard wrote:
If I recall correctly, wasn't the first death from the skies released the same year flyers were brought into the brb?

Which is interesting since I think I read a rumor were they were basically going to release a 7.5 brb in the fall.

So the way I see it playing out will be just like last time. People will pledge to ignore it and then will be forced to use it when they get rolled to a new rule book.

Another reason I will be hesitant to buy it. If it's all going to get rolled into 7.5 in a few months, I'm just going to wait I think.

 General Kroll wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
If I recall correctly, wasn't the first death from the skies released the same year flyers were brought into the brb?

Which is interesting since I think I read a rumor were they were basically going to release a 7.5 brb in the fall.

So the way I see it playing out will be just like last time. People will pledge to ignore it and then will be forced to use it when they get rolled to a new rule book.

Another reason I will be hesitant to buy it. If it's all going to get rolled into 7.5 in a few months, I'm just going to wait I think.

I already had my FLGS old one for me, back when it sounded a lot better than what we are getting. Otherwise I'd drop it and grab a second Ork Wazbomma instead.

Video out
https://youtu.be/PKqp8-ZY7Eo

 SickSix wrote:
Video out

It helps to say what the video is of, if you're not embedding the video.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Video out

It helps to say what the video is of, if you're not embedding the video.

Huh? You click the link, it plays the video. You click the embedded video, it plays the video?#whyyouangry

 Wilson wrote:

Spoiler:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Video out

It helps to say what the video is of, if you're not embedding the video.

Huh? You click the link, it plays the video. You click the embedded video, it plays the video?#whyyouangry

A lot of folks don't like to click through.

Okay, just so I don't have to flip through pages,

Is this supplement required for fielding Flyers now?

Are they gping to FAQ each factions Flyers to add/remove the innate Sky fire from the BRB?

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Okay, just so I don't have to flip through pages,

Is this supplement required for fielding Flyers now?

Are they gping to FAQ each factions Flyers to add/remove the innate Sky fire from the BRB?

Edit: think I missed the point of your Q bud, apologies. Yes these rules succeed the old rules for fliers but I'm sure you can play whatever you want like normal.


I imagine, like all times playing 40k talk with the guy you're playing with before hand. If it's a tourney, in sure the rules pack will say. If you play a guy who wants to use the new rules, perhaps he'll have a copy and you can just indulge on the new rules then OR I'm sure you'll be able to find a decent summary of the rules changes on 4chan or a pdf off kickass.

I do not expect them to make any erratas, as the book covers all the changes.

So far it is only required to legally get the rules for the Stormhawk and the new Ork flyer.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Okay, just so I don't have to flip through pages,

Is this supplement required for fielding Flyers now?

Are they gping to FAQ each factions Flyers to add/remove the innate Sky fire from the BRB?

It is basically just like the old flyer book. It's only really useful if you want to buy it to play those specific games.
If not, it's something probably nobody will pick up since it really makes flyers a more paper rock scissor game and some get really screwed over by the new rules.

 Savageconvoy wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Okay, just so I don't have to flip through pages,

Is this supplement required for fielding Flyers now?

Are they gping to FAQ each factions Flyers to add/remove the innate Sky fire from the BRB?

It is basically just like the old flyer book. It's only really useful if you want to buy it to play those specific games.
If not, it's something probably nobody will pick up since it really makes flyers a more paper rock scissor game and some get really screwed over by the new rules.

There is a lot more to it than just the rock , paper, scissor dog fight stuff.

There are new formations and a new flyer detachment on top of the new patterns that grant tank hunter, ignores cover etc while on the table. 3 storm talons now being able to ignore cover vs ground or storm hawks ignoring cover vs Air units.

And there is a line in the book that says these replace those in the brb.

/rant So DA air superiority Nephilim Jetfighter have same stats as small Stormtalon and Stormhawk, and Stormhawk have +1 on it's stats in dogfights... Well played. /rant over

Buuuut with the new FAQ we can shoot the Dark Talons Rift Cannon at other flyers, making it the ultimate blunt force in the air with possible S:

 Rygnan wrote:
Buuuut with the new FAQ we can shoot the Dark Talons Rift Cannon at other flyers, making it the ultimate blunt force in the air with possible S:

Nope. The Dark Talon lost the ability to fire Skyfire with Death From the Skies.

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
And there is a line in the book that says these replace those in the brb.

It's ok - they are ignoring this point in the FAQ post too...

Based on the images of the Stormhawk's instructions, it can indeed mount the Stormtalon cockpit without issue. It does also come with its rules in the instructions. The only things it is missing is weapon profiles for the Las-Talon, Icarus Stormtalon, and something called Infernum halo-launcher.

Eldar rules are fair. Flyers get to cast Shrouding. Hahaha...no I just wish I had bought the previous Dakkajet boxes. No way were the new plastic parts worth £12.50, even if it was a new sprue.

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Okay, just so I don't have to flip through pages,

Is this supplement required for fielding Flyers now?

Are they gping to FAQ each factions Flyers to add/remove the innate Sky fire from the BRB?

It is basically just like the old flyer book. It's only really useful if you want to buy it to play those specific games.
If not, it's something probably nobody will pick up since it really makes flyers a more paper rock scissor game and some get really screwed over by the new rules.

There is a lot more to it than just the rock , paper, scissor dog fight stuff.

There are new formations and a new flyer detachment on top of the new patterns that grant tank hunter, ignores cover etc while on the table. 3 storm talons now being able to ignore cover vs ground or storm hawks ignoring cover vs Air units.

And there is a line in the book that says these replace those in the brb.

So, what you're trying to say is not only is there rock paper scissors, there's good ol' pay-to-win formation rules as well? How exciting

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Okay, just so I don't have to flip through pages,

Is this supplement required for fielding Flyers now?

Are they gping to FAQ each factions Flyers to add/remove the innate Sky fire from the BRB?

It is basically just like the old flyer book. It's only really useful if you want to buy it to play those specific games.
If not, it's something probably nobody will pick up since it really makes flyers a more paper rock scissor game and some get really screwed over by the new rules.

There is a lot more to it than just the rock , paper, scissor dog fight stuff.

There are new formations and a new flyer detachment on top of the new patterns that grant tank hunter, ignores cover etc while on the table. 3 storm talons now being able to ignore cover vs ground or storm hawks ignoring cover vs Air units.

And there is a line in the book that says these replace those in the brb.

So, what you're trying to say is not only is there rock paper scissors, there's good ol' pay-to-win formation rules as well? How exciting

Of course many of those bonus rules are not granted for free, but require you to keep your planes in a specific formation and within distance bands from one another. Easy on an open field, but once you get close to ruins or the enemy, a lot harder (which is appropriate)

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 Fayric wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
What kills me is that now the gap between FMC's and the rest is even wider! They are still hard to hit, and while fliers lost ground cover they still laugh at the rules with toe in cover all while being able to move shorter minimum distances shooting 360 degrees all while still having the convenience of picking skyfire or ground fire at no penalty to BS.... WTF.

Can we please get a FMC supplement next


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Oh, and I forgot they now seem to be safe in reserve while in the air!

On the other hand, tyranids, daemons and CSM need all the help they can get. Saying FMCs are unfairly good is really taking things out of context.

Nah, Chaos & Tyranids are the most OP armies in the game, and it's great that we have new rules to feth them over!

It's called a FAQ. Because it FAQed those armies right over as well.

FMCs are literally the only thing Tyranids have going for them.

MCs? Nah, every other army has better ones.
Cheap infantry? It gets out of babysitter range and eats itself. Like....I don't even know.
GCs? I giggled at that though.

there's good ol' pay-to-win formation rules as well?

Sadly that's kinda how 40k works theses days...........

So finally got to read over all the leaks for the flyer book coming out here are some thoughts and questions that I have.

First, I like this book. Flyers IMO atleast needed something.. some reason to maybe take them over something else in your codex, and I feel like this book does just enough for them without being over the top. I know some people that are pretty upset about "how OP" some of the patterns are, such as the 4++ IWND pattern.. but again IMO, and as a few have stated above, at some point you may not be able to hold the pattern because of terrain and units on the board. Plus being in a pattern does limit your flyers to specific targets (granted agility does allow for some wiggle room). My vote, GW did this book right.

Couple questions..
As each flyer has a dataslate that mentions it can be taken in a wing. Does this mean that a flyer in a formation can be taken as wing? And thus benefit from the formatoin bonuses and an attack pattern?

The leaks that I have seen specifically call out fighters as having a "fighter skyfire" ability, where they can choose skyfire or not but with a -1 BS penalty to ground. No where else have I seen it overrule the BRB that says flyers in general lose skyfire... did i miss something here?

Only complaint
If it is indeed the case that all flyers no longer have skyfire (except fighters), then IMO fighters should have more of a penalty against ground targets. My storm talon has to snapfire at your zooming fighter... but your zooming fighter can pick out a squad of infantry on the ground with nearly a negligent penalty? I think fighters should only have skyfire period. That means they snap fire at ground targets.. My opinion though.

So the Ork flyer is

About the ork flyer:
140 points 12/10/10 3HP
(Cannot translate the ork weapons)
Twin-linked 36", S8, AP2, Heavy 1, Blast, Gets hot
1x 36" S1D6+4, AP1, Heavy1
5++ vs one single hit each enemy shooting phase (May be exchanged for an ork energy shield 5++ to be bearer and all models at 6" for +25 points)

That is 140pts (30more then a battlewagon) with a TL KMK, a single shot smasha gun (useless) and it can take a KFF for 25pts. So really your paying through the nose for a flyer that has a TL KMK and the ability to take a KFF that you don't want to use because jink is better, but if you jink you can't fire the only weapon worth a damn on the thing. Wow, if that is all it gets this thing is a pile of hot garbage.

Could be usable if you took the KFF and put it in a squad with 2 dedicated dakkajets kept within 6".

 Ratius wrote:
Could be usable if you took the KFF and put it in a squad with 2 dedicated dakkajets kept within 6".

Except that again, your going from a 4+ Save to a 5+ save. Dakkajets are utter garbage anyway. 12 TL S6 shots at BS3 (against ground targets) isn't that good, on average your looking at around 9 hits, but for the same amount of points your paying for a dakka jet you could buy Warbikers and other scoring units that are more durable then an AV10/10/10 fighter.

Every Ork Flyer has been extremely underwhelming so far and I think this new one just adds to the flavor of disappointment with whoever is designing Ork rules.

 Ratius wrote:
Could be usable if you took the KFF and put it in a squad with 2 dedicated dakkajets kept within 6".

I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a formation that did that and gave some other bonuses on top.

Does the rulebook give you enough rules to replicate aeronautica in 40k scale?

 Looky Likey wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Could be usable if you took the KFF and put it in a squad with 2 dedicated dakkajets kept within 6".

I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a formation that did that and gave some other bonuses on top.

Does the rulebook give you enough rules to replicate aeronautica in 40k scale?

Yes--and it actually gives you a suggestion where, if you wish to do a bigger game of flyers, you should double the distance in terms of inches.