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Not Online!!! wrote:
i know you mean this in joke, but i wouldn't even be surprised...

I am not joking. Heavy Intercessors were in the leaked pics. A new Primaris Captain has the heavy armour, and from the pictures the weapon he has appeared to be a "Heavy Bolt Rifle".

Not Online!!! wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Pretty sure Marines are getting a Heavy Bolt Rifle when the Heavy Intercessors arrive.

i know you mean this in joke, but i wouldn't even be surprised...

There was a captured pic from the leaf through of the Loyalist Scum codex of a captain (or some other loyalist HQ, they have so many) with a heavy bolt rifle. So it won't be a surprise.

Edit: Ninja'd by H.B.M.C.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
i know you mean this in joke, but i wouldn't even be surprised...

I am not joking. Heavy Intercessors were in the leaked pics. A new Primaris Captain has the heavy armour, and from the pictures the weapon he has appeared to be a "Heavy Bolt Rifle".

do we really need another boltrifle...
Marines now have more bloody bolters then some factions have units...

The Absolver Bolt Pistol (primaris chaplains, apothecaries) is the pistol chambered for HB ammo. And it got an extra 2” of range and D2 from the Indominus box.

I don’t know what the fluff says about it, but it was S5, -1AP 1D, the same profile as a HB before, and a big honking pistol, so I always assumed it was shooting HB ammo. Now it gets stats still in line with the HB upgrades, so I’m keeping that bit of headcannon.

We'll get to a point that Primaris units are going to be so similar to each other that even more busted stratagems and rules will be needed so they make sense on the table.

Don't marines already have more types of bolt weapon than some armies have units?

 Denegaar wrote:
We'll get to a point that Primaris units are going to be so similar to each other that even more busted stratagems and rules will be needed so they make sense on the table.

Or they could just...be the same, ruleswise. Just be different aesthetically. If they want to make 12 different units of boltgun-armed power armored infantry, fine, but in a game as abstracted as 40k do they really NEED to all have meaningfully unique rules?

How much support do we currently have to make our marines' rules distinct that's totally independent of how the model looks and is just up to personal preference? You can now choose each army trait rule separately, you have like 3 dozen choices, and you can choose a set of strats rules etc to go along with them.

If I like the looks of phobos marines, maybe I play with Raven Guard rules or my own custom sneaky chapter. If I like the look of Reivers, maybe I play a close combat chapter.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Don't marines already have more types of bolt weapon than some armies have units?

yes, tbf tho it is easy to have more standard rifles for units then Harlequins have units
But when you start to have more standard rifles then i dunno SoB or GSC has normal non charachter units, then i think something in the priorities went , wierd..

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Don't marines already have more types of bolt weapon than some armies have units?

yes, tbf tho it is easy to have more standard rifles for units then Harlequins have units
But when you start to have more standard rifles then i dunno SoB or GSC has normal non charachter units, then i think something in the priorities went , wierd..

And also gw's understanding of how an army works. What army would want that many different types of ammunition to keep track of? Hasn't gw ever heard of logistics?

GW doesn't actually care about how an army works in the setting. That' why it's a (war)game and not a war(game).

It's a board game for fun; it's not intended to have any connection to the lore beyond passing art-style similarity.

Marin wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't have my SM codex right now, but do Aggressors currently have the same bit as Eradicators where they get double shots but have to target a specific unit?

Cause if they do not, I could see that happening.

They can shoot 2 different units. The catch is that they have to stand still. Personally I'd like to keep my aggressors how they are, they were the Allstars of my lists

My guess is that double tap will go away. OW with flamers with the double tap is just insane and should not be a thing.

If I were a betting man I'd be betting in the other direction. Aggressors will change from "stand still to double tap" to the Eradicator wording, and that's why they dropped the ranged profiles from Assault 6/Assault 2d6 to Assault 3/Assault d6. Standing still to double-tap with that unit never made sense and the UM Super-doctrine and the Sallies "that unit is Stationary" strat made them impossible to point-balance properly. GW had to have gotten a ton of complaints about that unit.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
GW doesn't actually care about how an army works in the setting. That' why it's a (war)game and not a war(game).

It's a board game for fun; it's not intended to have any connection to the lore beyond passing art-style similarity.

you know, the mastery of great War(game) design is to find an optimal middleground.

The Newman wrote:

Marin wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't have my SM codex right now, but do Aggressors currently have the same bit as Eradicators where they get double shots but have to target a specific unit?

Cause if they do not, I could see that happening.

They can shoot 2 different units. The catch is that they have to stand still. Personally I'd like to keep my aggressors how they are, they were the Allstars of my lists

My guess is that double tap will go away. OW with flamers with the double tap is just insane and should not be a thing.

If I were a betting man I'd be betting in the other direction. Aggressors will change from "stand still to double tap" to the Eradicator wording, and that's why they dropped the ranged profiles from Assault 6/Assault 2d6 to Assault 3/Assault d6. Standing still to double-tap with that unit never made sense and the UM Super-doctrine and the Sallies "that unit is Stationary" strat made them impossible to point-balance properly. GW had to have gotten a ton of complaints about that unit.

The other possibility, of course, being that the profiles we've seen are per gauntlet, while the profile in the 8.0 and 8.5 book was for a pair of gauntlets (I just checked the 8.0 listing, which describes Aggressors as armed with "auto boltstorm gauntlets", which could be replaced with "flamestorm gauntlets").

Not Online!!! wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Pretty sure Marines are getting a Heavy Bolt Rifle when the Heavy Intercessors arrive.

i know you mean this in joke, but i wouldn't even be surprised...

It's not a joke, we know it is happening.

Can't somebody buy some devastators or something else with a lascannon? I'd like to know if they're getting buffed like everything else apparently is.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Can't somebody buy some devastators or something else with a lascannon? I'd like to know if they're getting buffed like everything else apparently is.

Firing into the dark, I'll put my money on Lascannons getting a 3D minimum, if anything at all.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Can't somebody buy some devastators or something else with a lascannon? I'd like to know if they're getting buffed like everything else apparently is.

Firing into the dark, I'll put my money on Lascannons getting a 3D minimum, if anything at all.

That's my guess as well. Would be great on a unit with eight of them.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Don't marines already have more types of bolt weapon than some armies have units?

Let me provide a comparison that I've been thinking about A LOT recently. Ranged weapon lists from the Space Marine books, 4th Ed vs. 8th Ed:


4th Ed looks like perfection to me right now.

Not really valid all the way. Things like all the TL weapons were used with a USR compared to now with the separate profile.

The worst part is we know that list is about to get even longer in the 9th edition codex

What's next each marines bolter gets a unique name and statline?
Brother Mathews bolter has a scope on it so he gets +2 inches of range.
Brother Dantes bolter has a chainsword strapped to it so he gets to punch you realy hard in Close combat and has +1 strength when he charges.
Brother Bob's the new guy so his bolters is like -1 range and -1 to hit in combat.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Not really valid all the way. Things like all the TL weapons were used with a USR compared to now with the separate profile.

You can nitpick, but I think the point is made.

Also CC weapons were mostly USRs. CC weapon, Power Weapons, and Power fists were all generic. There are a couple more items described in the wargear section, such as the Cyclone Missile Launcher, too. But I didn't include the 8th edition CC weapon list in the highlighted area, and that's another 26 entries if I counted right.

Ice_can wrote:
The worst part is we know that list is about to get even longer in the 9th edition codex

What's next each marines bolter gets a unique name and statline?

He we have now what 29+ Versions of deepstrike but not all are deepstrike....
So we have usr's except not. The worst of both worlds...

If loyalists get all that can csm at least have kai guns back?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
If loyalists get all that can csm at least have kai guns back?

No you all get the same stats as Bob but it randomly will cost you more points because balance.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
If loyalists get all that can csm at least have kai guns back?

I lol'd.

And no you can't for generic CSM, it'll be included in the separate Emperor's Children codex for(and only for) a Daemon Prince model that's an 80$ mono-build kit.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
If loyalists get all that can csm at least have kai guns back?

I lol'd.

And no you can't for generic CSM, it'll be included in the separate Emperor's Children codex for(and only for) a Daemon Prince model that's an 80$ mono-build kit.

forgot the limited Edition Tag.



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I am still waiting though on a predators with a twin hades AC turret and a greater havocs launcher laffete.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
If loyalists get all that can csm at least have kai guns back?

I lol'd.

And no you can't for generic CSM, it'll be included in the separate Emperor's Children codex for(and only for) a Daemon Prince model that's an 80$ mono-build kit.

forgot the limited Edition Tag..

Is that limited edition-limited edition? Or is that "limited edition" in an exclusive big-box, and then released separately 18 months later?

 Insectum7 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
If loyalists get all that can csm at least have kai guns back?

I lol'd.

And no you can't for generic CSM, it'll be included in the separate Emperor's Children codex for(and only for) a Daemon Prince model that's an 80$ mono-build kit.

forgot the limited Edition Tag..

Is that limited edition-limited edition? Or is that "limited edition" in an exclusive big-box, and then released separately 18 months later?

This sounds horribly correct.....

 Insectum7 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
If loyalists get all that can csm at least have kai guns back?

I lol'd.

And no you can't for generic CSM, it'll be included in the separate Emperor's Children codex for(and only for) a Daemon Prince model that's an 80$ mono-build kit.

forgot the limited Edition Tag..

Is that limited edition-limited edition? Or is that "limited edition" in an exclusive big-box, and then released separately 18 months later?

Well in a box except gw lost the mould just Like they did with half the cultists and koptas and obliterators seemingly.
Then there's a second Edition an actual limited Edition.
A good looking dp with wings infact. 100$ and only 1000.


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 Gadzilla666 wrote:

This sounds horribly correct.....

You as a fellow Veteran of the Hobby should See it indeed

There's a Rhino/Razorback sheet floating around. Nothing that interesting except S10 on the hunter-killer. Which I think might have come up before.

Sort of confirms Lascannons are going to be a joke compared with MMs though.