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Hello,

I am looking for a SHT, but don't know which one to get.
perimeters are a CAD for my GK army.

Looking for one with not necessarily the most options, but the biggest punch. if that makes sense.

So which one?
This is regarding, Banehammer, Stormsword, Baneblade, Hellhammer, Stormlord, Doomhammer, Bane sword, Shadowsward.

Thank you for your time.

The only superheavy available to the Grey Knights is the Thunderhawk. Anything else will require some allies.

Oh yes I know that. That's why I mentioned CAD.

Well for starters what is your preferred ally? This will eliminate some of the choices right off the bat.

If you want marines then you have access to the fellblade which is the most durable and has access to legacies of glory, just for example.

If you want IG you wont have access to the fellblade or legacies but you then open up the baneblade and variants.

Since it sounds like you're only looking at the Baneblade hulls I'll only discuss those.

Good: Stormsword (STR 10 AP 1 with a 10" blast and no cover saves, and 36" range + 12" move is usually enough to hit anything on a normal 40k table), Shadowsword (kills the big tanks).

Decent: Stormblade (longer range than the Stormsword can still be relevant, kills more infantry when cover isn't a major factor), Hellhammer (trade the Stormsword's 10" blast for 7" and a demolisher cannon), Stormlord (immobile bunker with a decent gun).

Terrible: all of the other ones.

Thank you for your help. I am looking at the Shadowsword

You should also pay attention to the legality.
Shadowsword, as example, is Astra Militarium only.
That means you need to take a CAD of AM to go with your GK-Detachment.
The other posts didn't really made clear if you understood that (might be my reading tho).

My favourite would be the Stormlord.
But that is because I play Blood Angels and someone made a great conversion, combined with the Vulcan mega-bolter and that it's an assault vehicle.

Rules as written there's nothing actually restricting which super-heavies you can have with which army.

To stick to the lore and avoid fuzzy rules arguments like the ones that are about to come out of this post it's probably better to stick to the Thunderhawk only for GK and take a separate CAD to use someone else's Superheavies.


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Kangodo wrote:
You should also pay attention to the legality.
Shadowsword, as example, is Astra Militarium only.
That means you need to take a CAD of AM to go with your GK-Detachment.
The other posts didn't really made clear if you understood that (might be my reading tho).

My favourite would be the Stormlord.
But that is because I play Blood Angels and someone made a great conversion, combined with the Vulcan mega-bolter and that it's an assault vehicle.

You can't assault out of a Stormlord. It allows a certain number of models to shoot as if it were open-topped, it isn't actually open-topped.

Yeah, I know I'd need to take the CAD, I asked on YMDC and also double checked the BRB.

I think I'll still get the SHT, as a Thunder-hawk Gunship is out of my price range haha.

But thanks for all the help.

For assaulting out of the Stormlord:

I always thought you could. IIRC, it says "counts as open topped for the purposes of embarking and disembarking only" and whether or not you can assault is worked out when you disembark.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Rules as written there's nothing actually restricting which super-heavies you can have with which army.

but Detachments have a restriction on Factions, so you need a rule that gives them the GK-faction.
Escalation says it is AM only.

WonderD0g wrote:
Yeah, I know I'd need to take the CAD, I asked on YMDC and also double checked the BRB.

I think I'll still get the SHT, as a Thunder-hawk Gunship is out of my price range haha.

But thanks for all the help.

Well... You can get a significant discount on a Thunderhawk by just building it out of three Stormravens. Online tutorials on how to do so exist, and I honestly think it looks better than the official model.

Still more expensive than a Baneblade box though.

Oh right cool. I think I will stay with the SHT, as I just kinda want one haha. But thanks for the help and the suggestions.

Kangodo wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Rules as written there's nothing actually restricting which super-heavies you can have with which army.

but Detachments have a restriction on Factions, so you need a rule that gives them the GK-faction.
Escalation says it is AM only.

Escalation is no longer current. It's sorted under "Imperium of Man" in Apocalypse.

What factions things have are occasionally fuzzy.

But isn't Escalation published AFTER Apocalypse?

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Kangodo wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Rules as written there's nothing actually restricting which super-heavies you can have with which army.

but Detachments have a restriction on Factions, so you need a rule that gives them the GK-faction.
Escalation says it is AM only.

Escalation is no longer current. It's sorted under "Imperium of Man" in Apocalypse.

What factions things have are occasionally fuzzy.

Escalation is current.
The rules for Superheavies aren't as per the FAQ, but the LoW data slates most definitely are current.

The factions of other Superheavies are covered in FW's download section.

The list of who gets what for lords of war is on forgeworld, here:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/L/lordsofwar.pdf

it's important to consider what the rest of your army does for considering a superheavy - if you deal with tanks well, one with a large ignores-cover blast will destroy all infantry it aims at. if you have no problems with infantry, the shadowsword is a good bet.

if you struggle to get to combat, take the assault vehicle one.


if you can, I'm pretty sure the baneblade kits are quite easy to make interchangable for the most part, all the hull-mounted weapon types can be swapped and all the turret ones too, with clever magnetisation. give yourself a chance to choose. if you're able to run unfinished models as counts-as, make the basic hull then try the things out for a few games before you choose.

It can be very situational, and depends mostly on your local meta. The bane blade is cool, but meh in all categories for a super heavy.
Helhammer I the only other turret variant,, and if you play with lots of terrain it's really cool.
Shadows word is cool if there are tons of big models, tanks and Titans running around.
The storm lord is just dumb and cool, and the rest no one cares.

I'm fairly certain that allies don't allow a LoW to be taken... Look at the chart.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I'm fairly certain that allies don't allow a LoW to be taken... Look at the chart.

It just depends on what sort of Detachment you're using.
The "Allied Detachment" doesn't have a LoW slot, but that's not the only way to take allies.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Kangodo wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Rules as written there's nothing actually restricting which super-heavies you can have with which army.

but Detachments have a restriction on Factions, so you need a rule that gives them the GK-faction.
Escalation says it is AM only.

Escalation is no longer current. It's sorted under "Imperium of Man" in Apocalypse.

What factions things have are occasionally fuzzy.

The 7th Ed rulebook directly references Escalation as a rules source. It is absolutely current.

As far as GW books go the books that where published before 7th edition came out that are current have FAQ's to bring them current, You can find those books here (http://www.blacklibrary.com/faqs-and-errata.html) and anything published after 7th came out is obviously current.

Forgeworld is a different animal and IMHO is kinda a mess. They don't maintain a publishing order list or some quick reference document for determining which of their titles contains the most current and up to date information. I can be trying to know for sure you are looking at current rules.

As for what kind baneblade or other super heavy tank you should build you need to ask yourself how you plan to use it. As a transport? Do you want it shooting at other tanks/SHT? do you want it for clearing blobs of infantry?

Nuts to messing around with allies. if you want a GK lord of war, take a Warhound.