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Bikes have the very bulky special rule

Transports carry Infantry models only unless otherwise stated

Drop pods can carry 10 models, a dreadnought or a TFC

What's the consensus Dakka-noughts?

Would you let a 3 biker BA unit ramp off of a drop pod?

No, as you pointed out only Infantry can be carried unless otherwise stated, the drop pod rules state you can put in a dread instead of infantry, there is no rule allowing bikes.

You know my pov allready

I see you're trying to interpret the wordsrules saying "infantry models unless otherwise stated" not as "infantry + what's specifically stated" but as "anything + what's specifically stated". Following such logics you can droppod titans and leman russ squadrons. You could probably stretch the words to such extent but it's not a way to go imo.

They aren't infantry, and don't make a specification for bikes to be able to get in a DP.

What makes you think Bikes are a Dreadnaught or TFC?

I'd say no as well. Also question the tactical use of this. I can cross the board pretty well already with 12' move and turboboost with another 12' on turn 2 with a charge.

Drop pod even on turn one will still only let me charge on turn 2 and I'll only benefit on some hammer and anvil deployments with the enemy castling. Use the pods for foot troops that don't have the mobility.

If the '10 Models' included anything other than those normally allowed, then the reference to allowing Dreadnoughts and Thunderfire Cannons would be redundant, would it not?

Dra'al Nacht wrote:
If the '10 Models' included anything other than those normally allowed, then the reference to allowing Dreadnoughts and Thunderfire Cannons would be redundant, would it not?

This. Thank you for putting it so simply and eloquently. Essentially the transport capacity of any transport allows for x many Infantry models (with scaling applied for Bulky/Very Bulky) only, unless an exception is specifically mentioned for a specific transport. Bikes, with unit type 'Bikes', are not infantry and are not specifically mentioned in the unit list of the Drop Pod as being eligible to be loaded into a pod, while TFC and Dreadnoughts are mentioned as being eligible.

Johnnytorrance wrote:
Bikes have the very bulky special rule

True, but irrelevant as Bikes are not "infantry" or "otherwise stated" unit types.

Transports carry Infantry models only unless otherwise stated

Drop pods can carry 10 models, a dreadnought or a TFC

Correct. Drop pods have a transport capacity of 10 models, 1 Dreadnought or 1 TFC. As per the transport rules, a transport may only carry Infantry units, unless otherwise stated. Drop pod otherwise states Dreadnought or TFC. "10 models" is transport capacity, as listed in all transports. We then refer to the transport rule for what models .. "Infantry (not including jump/jet)".

Done deal. 10 infantry models, 1 dreadnought or 1 tfc.

Would you let a 3 biker BA unit ramp off of a drop pod?

No, because a drop pod cannot carry models with the unit type "Bike".

I'm pretty sure the one yes vote is Johnnytorrance's

 CrownAxe wrote:
I'm pretty sure the one yes vote is Johnnytorrance's

Agreed. I think this is well and truly done and dusted.

I don't see why they can't be in a drop-pod.

Its cool, but a pretty pointless tactic in all.

 aprilmanha wrote:
I don't see why they can't be in a drop-pod.

Because the rules don't allow them to be in a vehicle, unless the vehicle specifically says it can carry bikes (e.g., the Necron Night Scythe).

 aprilmanha wrote:
I don't see why they can't be in a drop-pod.

Its cool, but a pretty pointless tactic in all.

They can't be in a Drop Pod because Warhammer 40k is a permissive rule set and there is no permission to put them in a Drop Pod.

Tactics are up in the air. I can imagine a situation where dropping in next to an objective, disembarking and then moving flat out to claim a second objective would be good. You'd claim two objectives with one unit and their Transport.

 aprilmanha wrote:
I don't see why they can't be in a drop-pod.

Its cool, but a pretty pointless tactic in all.

Drop Pods have permission to carry 3 types of unit:

1) Infantry
2) Dreadnaughts
3) TFCs

Which of those 3 do you think bikes are? I'm genuinely curious.

Two reasons why.
One the rules don't allow it.
Two there is no way to secure the bikes in the pod.

There- RAW and fluff reasons.

 Kriswall wrote:

 aprilmanha wrote:
I don't see why they can't be in a drop-pod.

Its cool, but a pretty pointless tactic in all.

They can't be in a Drop Pod because Warhammer 40k is a permissive rule set and there is no permission to put them in a Drop Pod.

Tactics are up in the air. I can imagine a situation where dropping in next to an objective, disembarking and then moving flat out to claim a second objective would be good. You'd claim two objectives with one unit and their Transport.

Or for tank cracking. Drop off a couple of bike squads (obviously a drop pod biker army) near a forward objective (claiming it with a drop pod), move 12' and then light up the closest tank with grav guns, hopefully scoring some extra shots due to salvo.

I would play that biker drop pod army purely for kicks if the rules allowed it; I can't see it being super effective, but it would be novel/interesting for a few games.

 FlingitNow wrote:

 aprilmanha wrote:
I don't see why they can't be in a drop-pod.

Its cool, but a pretty pointless tactic in all.

Drop Pods have permission to carry 3 types of unit:

1) Infantry
2) Dreadnaughts
3) TFCs

Which of those 3 do you think bikes are? I'm genuinely curious.

I agree fully that the transport section says Infantry models only, unless otherwise stated.

Codex rules supposedly always trump BRB,

The drop pod has a list of transportable units in its rule

10 models, a dreadnought or a TFC.

It didn't say 10 Infantry models, it only says 10 models.

Bike rules specifically say that bikes have the very bulky rules. Why would bikes even have this rule? I never considered them transportable before. I had never seen that they had that rule. A dreadnought and TFC don't state they they are bulky or very bulky. They're never was an intention to transport them by any means except allowing them on a drop pod.

What's the purpose of giving bike units the very bulky rule?

One of the reasons I asked for this was a question I had about independent characters that are not (bike) unit type joining bike units.

Is there a reason to give that unit a rule that corresponds to determining transport capacity?

Can a bike enter a building or ruins?

Johnnytorrance wrote:

Is there a reason to give that unit a rule that corresponds to determining transport capacity?

Can a bike enter a building or ruins?

No. There are 2 reasons to give them the Very Bulky rule:
1. Consistency
2. Thunderhawks can specifically carry bikes

Johnnytorrance wrote:
The drop pod has a list of transportable units in its rule

10 models, a dreadnought or a TFC.

It didn't say 10 Infantry models, it only says 10 models.

Correct. Since it doesn't say what kind of models, and we need permission to override the BRB (a conflict of some sort) we look to the BRB which says Infantry only.

Little tip - all transports say "models".

Bike rules specifically say that bikes have the very bulky rules. Why would bikes even have this rule? I never considered them transportable before. I had never seen that they had that rule. A dreadnought and TFC don't state they they are bulky or very bulky. They're never was an intention to transport them by any means except allowing them on a drop pod.

There's a forgeworld Riptide that cares how bulky its targets are.
In addition, please look at the Transport Capacity of a Land Raider. Realize that you're arguing that only a Drop Pod can transport Bikes. Realize that the Transport Capacity is the same. Realize that you're arguing for one but not the other.

Rationalize that contradiction.

What's the purpose of giving bike units the very bulky rule?

One of the reasons I asked for this was a question I had about independent characters that are not (bike) unit type joining bike units.

Is there a reason to give that unit a rule that corresponds to determining transport capacity?

Can a bike enter a building or ruins?

Buildings no, ruins yes. Ruins don't have a transport capacity.

Tyranids have no transports whatsoever, but have Very Bulky models (Warriors). They have the rule because GW wanted them to. No other reason.

to outline the ludicrosity of assuming "10 models" means any 10 models, here's a thought:

drop pod. inside the drop pod are 10 Rhinos (as Rhinos are models) and inside those Rhinos are 10 marines, each. congratulations, due to intentionally misinterpreting the rules, you can now fit 100 marines and 10 tanks in a drop pod.

Johnnytorrance wrote:
It didn't say 10 Infantry models, it only says 10 models.

And since Infantry are 'models', that in and of itself does not provide an exception to the rule that transports can only carry Infantry. You're trying to use the vehicle's Transport Capacity as justification for carrying any type of model be they Bikes, Monstrous Creatures, etc. By your own argument, any vehicle in the game could carry any type of model unless specifically forbidden by its rules because they all express their Transport Capacity in the number of models they can carry without specifying that its only Infantry models.

So a Drop Pod can now transport 10 Imperial Knights. They are after all models. The very bulky rule is given to all bikes because there transports that can carry bikes (Nightscythe for instance, also a Thunderhawk) also other rules can care about bulkiness.

 some bloke wrote:
congratulations, due to cheating, you can now fit 100 marines and 10 tanks in a drop pod.

That's a bit more properly succinct.

 some bloke wrote:
to outline the ludicrosity of assuming "10 models" means any 10 models, here's a thought:

drop pod. inside the drop pod are 10 Rhinos (as Rhinos are models) and inside those Rhinos are 10 marines, each. congratulations, due to intentionally misinterpreting the rules, you can now fit 100 marines and 10 tanks in a drop pod.

I do this all the time. And people act surprised when I deep strike in a Thunderhawk inside my Drop Pod.

It's a shame Tau are no longer Battle Brothers with Marines. I'd love to deploy 10 Mantas holding 10 full Hunter Cadres from a Drop Pod.

You all think too one-dimensionally.

Inside your drop pod, you put 10 drop pods, each containing 10 drop pods, which each contain 10 drop pods, which each contain 10 drop pods... and so on. The entire Chapter arrives in a single cascading fountain of drop podding awesome.


Or not. I think we've beaten this one to death.