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Ok so I play necrons and I really enjoy the super heavy ctan shard. And while looking at all the tournaments I wanna play in seem to deny him as an option along with some other good super heavies like the harriden. But 5 knights is perfectly ok now my argument is if you get 5 of those why can't I have my one super heavy he costs just about the cost of 3 knights with good upgrades not a ranged d weapon. So what is your opinion

You're right, this isn't tactics.

venting I can understand. Why not use scarabs? can they strip AV from knights? How about forcing similar restrictions in reverse?

 carldooley wrote:
venting I can understand. Why not use scarabs? can they strip AV from knights? How about forcing similar restrictions in reverse?

Can't strip AV from super-heavies. Though Gauss still works fine on IKs.

This is more designed for general discussion.

The reason that a transcendent c'tan is banned is for it's cost it is ridiculously under-priced. Given good positioning it can easily take out 3 knights in a single turn. Given its abilities and what it can do it was banned because it is truly a put on table I win.

See I disagree. What powers exactly do you use to kill knights in 1 turn I said no d weapons so the options you have are a 7 inch blast that can possibly cause 1 hull point. Or 6d6 strength 8 ap3 shots still maybe 2 or 3 hull points he's 420 points base you need at least 3 powers for that super heavy. So he's almost 1000 points for the set up I use. So no he's not under priced I have to base my army list around him compared to 5 knights and if all the knights have battle cannons you're easily beating up that 1 super heavy. It might take a while but still I'll continue to argue that guess what turns 5 knights is still more bs than my 1 super heavy.

The battle cannons will wound him on a 5+ and he has the transliminal walk which is not a ranged attack, so just moves over them and they take a str. d hit, with no saves. Also armor 13 is much easier to kill that toughness 9.

Again I said no d weapons so nothing involving strength d


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I run him with a large blast stomp the lesser strength hell storm template and the s8 ap3 6d6 shots he seems perfectly balanced for me that way he's toughness 9 and I've seen him be beat up by a army of orks it took alot but the orks did it. I think 5 knights are still bs. They allow them in the tournament scene and I can't stand them 2 is fine 1 is fine 3 if I know I'm fighting them I can handle but passed that it's bs. So anyone else have an opinion on the ctan vs the knight

If you are not allowed str. d weaponry, then how can you have knights they have str. d combat attacks.

I meant for the ctan no d weapons of any kind

While I agree that the C'tan is brokenly undercosted for its power, the tournament you're in is also wildly inconsistent. What other restrictions are there?

 curran12 wrote:
While I agree that the C'tan is brokenly undercosted for its power, the tournament you're in is also wildly inconsistent.

I agree bringing non- str D weaponry would seem fine, still is really good and unless opponent has grav or lot of high str. weaponry they cannot hurt it, but still seems very inconsistent

Knights are trivial to deal with in comparison to the C'Tan. Really with the C'Tan the only viable option is a Grav Cent with GoI star.

Ok I am not saying these restrictions are in the tournament I mean I don't run the d weapons of any kind on my ctan. So you say 5 knights are trivial please enlighten me to this idea. Because if I don't bring a list to counter those 5 knights and I bring something like an endless swarm of tyranids I can't handle 5 knights if I bring a dark eldar list with more poison than high ap weaponry then how will I deal with them. You can kill that ctan easily if you focus the right firepower on him. He's not under costed you néed to buy at least 3 powers for him. All averaging between 50 and 200 points so he's again costing the same as 2 or 3 knights. In the tournaments I've played in they forbid the ctan and the harriden neither of them to me are op they are strong and to me because I provide the best hard counter to your knights it's to op? Sorry last I checked this game was a strategy game so your auto win army can't auto win because of 1 model he's no different than all the other stupid death stars out there and I prefer the game to be fair on the board your 1 death star can run through my army so my death star can counter and I'm using something to op for the game

A dark eldar army with lots of poison will still not do much to a trans. c'tan. They wound on a 6, even if they cause a wound trans. c'tan has fnp and IWND to get it back. Knights do, a dark lance can hurt a knight a lot more than a Trans. Ctan. The endless swarm can also do nothing against a Trans. C'tan either, also, a c'tan in combat is much better against hordes than a knight. If you throw endless swarms against a knight armr just get in combat and you can swamp them easily and tarpit. Also Trans. ctan has a 3+/4++ always where as a knight only has a 4+ on one armor facing.

My friend, while I agree that not taking D strength weapons should make people reconsider letting you take the C'Tan, you have to understand that models are prevented from being in tournaments based on what they *could* take and do, not on what you actually take on them/do with them.

You have the option to take the C'Tan in an incredibly overpowered build which costs less than many players feel shouldn't exist. That you aren't exercising that option is nice, but the TO doesn't know that in advance.

Maybe you should talk to them about banning the broken combos and not units on the whole?