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So got my Greater Brass Scorpion on its way from ebay. That rounds off my CSM army (once I've also converted my DC dreads to blood slaughterers). Now to collect my new force - RENEGADES! Already won 12 spawn in 2 bids on ebay and they are also on their way.
The following is going to be my first 750pt goal, which utterly abuses the cheap nature of renegades:

HQ
Mutant Overlord with covenant of tzeentch
4 disciples with autocannon

Troops
10 mutants

10 mutants

3 spawn

3 spawn

3 spawn

3 spawn

Fast attack
4 sentinals with heavy flamers

Heavy support
3 laser destroyer rapiers with militia training

3 laser destroyer rapiers with militia training

Battery of 3 Earthshaker cannons

750pts

Next step after this is probably 3 Spined Beasts or 3 Giant Spawn.
Or I may go for a second CAD and take another mutant overlord with cov of T, 12 more spawn, 20 more cultists, 3 more earthshakers, 2 lots of 3 wyverns, 3 giant spawn and however many more sentinals I can fit into 1850pts. But I'm getting ahead of myself now.
All I have atm is 12 spawn, 10 ccw cultists for the mutants, 10 autogun cultists for disciples and artillery crew and a cultist champ for mutant overlord.
What do you think of the first 750pts? Anything you would change?

Looks good!

Cheers. Any changes you would make?

I like it. Its just a fantastic 750. Id maybe go for wyverns instead of the second rapier for diversity.

If you do go down the earthshaker battery route,,, that is one unit that super benefits from a crimson slaughter sorceror rolling divination. Getting ignore cover on those boys makes me drool. At higher points obviously.

That would be crazy sweet! Prescience with perfect timing... insane on multiple barrage!

Wyverns would be a good shout but they would cost 95pts (for 3) more than the rapiers, which is a lot at 750 points. At larger points I will take a second CAD of CSM and fit at least one set of rapiers into my CSMs instead to open up a slot for the wyverns.

Got my Scorpion to keep me entertained until I collect this lot though :-p.

Can you take 12 more spawn in a CAD other than your primary?

It's a good question. There was a YMDC thread on the option of taking the extra units granted by a demagogue in other CADs. It was decided that a demagogues extra options transferred to other CADs. But to make sure I would still take another demagogue with mutant overlord and cov of tzeetch in the second CAD.


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Not that I'm taking a second CAD of renegades. I'd rather take CSM allies.


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Although it would be absolutely crazy taking 24 spawn for 440pts.

I was going to ask a question about the spawn rule but I don't want to take over your thread haha!

No, both the master of renegades and the mutant overlies demagogue devotion only work for the warlord. So max 4 cheap units. Any more would have to be from the chaos marine dex. More points but can make t6.

Yeah I was going to say, the rules state the army can take 0-3.

Ah fair enough. I never saw the thread, but just heard second hand what the conclusion was. Guess whoever mentioned it was mistaken. Still, a second CAD of renegades still opens up silly cheap HS and FA options.

Do you think 6 laser destroyer rapiers with militia training is overdoing it a little? What would you include in CSM allies keeping this CAD as is?

I just think 140pts is a complete steal for 6 laser destroyers. Especially when havocs with 4 lascannons cost only 5pts less yet are far far worse.
For the CSM CAD I'd probably take 2 Blood slaughterers, a sicaran and a havoc squad with 4 plasmaguns and a combi-plasma in a rhino as my heavys. I would drop the plasma squad and take rapiers if fitting wyverns into the above cad (or convert some hades rapiers as they seem excellent for their points. Maybe a squad of 3 deepstriking termis with combi-meltas. Some cultists maybe. A juggerlord to run with the spawn.

Something like the following:

Renegades
HQ
Mutant Overlord with cov of Tzeentch (with Hades rapiers)
4 Disciples, autocannon

Troops
10 mutants

10 mutants

3 spawn

3 spawn

3 spawn

3 spawn

Fast Attack
4 sentinals with heavy flamers

3 sentinals with heavy flamers

Heavy support
3 laser destroyer rapiers

3 Earthshakers

3 wyverns

CSMs
HQ
Chaos Lord (with spawn)
MoK, jugger, AoBF, Sigil, mbs

Troops
10 cultists

10 cultists

Fast Attack
Hellblade with hellcannon

Hellblade with hellcannon

Heavy support
3 hades rapiers

Sicaran

2 Blood Slaughterers (Deep strike)

2000pts

That would be an ideal list to me. Would still need to invest in hellblades, hades and extra cultists if id be using my normal ones for the renegades.

I feel like the blood slaughterers are crying out for the invulnerable save boost from the legacy... Not sure how you would fit it in for this list and even what walker/tank it would go on...

in that list, totally on the sicaran. it can keep up without sacrificing firepower.

Sicaran will be the first thing to die in this list...

weeell maybe. if it can be hidden T1, then the 12 spawn, jugger lord and 7 sentinels may be a higher priority.

R&H doesn't have any access to assault transports do they?
I saw a list somewhere that included bloodletters with icon in an assault transport with legacy for deep striking BS

rama1229 wrote:
R&H doesn't have any access to assault transports do they?
I saw a list somewhere that included bloodletters with icon in an assault transport with legacy for deep striking BS

That would be through CSMs

Yeah, tho theres nothing stopping you putting bloodletters in chimera, it doesn't seem worth it.

You can take an icon and an instrument and deep strike the bloodletters, and then get the extra reserve control and control the deep strike of the slaughterers better.

Been thinking it through and decided Giant Spawn might be a way to expand. 80pts for an MC with 4+d6 st6 attacks (+1 HoW) on the charge. Plus either 1/3 chance of opponents in base contact suffering a st6 hit, 1/3 of a chance of opponents unit suffering -2I or a 1/3 of a chance of having 2+ fnp (ON A T6 MODEL, so never cancelled out!!!).
It isn't as fast as regular spawn. But it has a 4+ T6 and 4W. So whilst autocannons are perfectly set up for smashing them down, either the high toughness or mid save will help it against most mid strength fire.
Also, I can get non GW artillery to represent earthshakers for cheaper so may get 2 batteries of these and just 1 of the rapiers.

Something like the following:

RENEGADES
Mutant Overlord with cov of tzeentch
4 Disciples with autocannon and granade launcher

10 mutants

10 mutants

3 spawn

3 spawn

3 spawn

3 spawn

5 Sentinals with hfs

3 Earthshakers

3 Earthshakers

3 Laser Destroyer Rapiers

3 Giant Spawn (individual units)

CSM
Chaos Lord
MoK, Jugger, AoBF, Sigil, Mbs

10 cultists

10 cultists

Sicaran

2 Bloodslaugterers

Fireraptor
Reaper Autocannons and Balefire Missiles

2000pts

Thinking about it, the Fireraptor is probably better AA than 2 Hellblades.

Would you run the giant spawn to back up the regular spawn or as a group on their own?

Fireraptor and sicaran are both relics I think.

rama1229 wrote:
Would you run the giant spawn to back up the regular spawn or as a group on their own?

They don't really have the speed to keep up with the spawn unfortunately. So would form a second wave.


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Fireraptor and sicaran are both relics I think.

Ah pants, good point!


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-2 sentinals, -mbs on the lord, -granadelauncher and autocannon.
+sorcerer with malific.

Not positive how you would certainly suit it looking for their list as well as exactly what walker it would go on.

Malefic Sorceror has to be level 3 to be a technomancer I believe...

...no..?

Must have read that paragraph too quickly then, but that's better for us then if it only needs to roll once!

Yup, pretty versatile. Of course a Marked level 1 couldn't be a technomancer as you have to take a god power.

Are blood slaughter worth their points?