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Building backgrounds for characters and armies is one of my favorite parts of warhammer and I get pretty extensive, when TET was released the fluff changes made for some interesting tweaks to my charracters in order to keep them in line with "current events". However more recent fluff has made it incredibly hard to use the backgrounds I've created for more than half my characters.

How have TET affected your fluff if at all?

Well most of my army in fluff is now dead and at the very least critically endangered. On the bright side we now know the moon is not made of cheese since we had most of it land on us.

On a more serious note, to keep mine up to date would be easy.

My lizards protected an ancient gem hand for untold amounts of time. When the moon came down many of my lizards died to get this gem hand to the exodus ships. These hands were the keys needed to get the ship working. My lizards are part of the reason we are not going to go extinct.

Thats where their story ends now. Which kinda sucks.

Well I chose red and blue for my Empire uniforms, and now I learn Altdorf has been destroyed haha.

My story for my army, they were all dead before the events for end times started anyway

My Elves have had the rightful Phoenix King restored, only to have the entire institution of Phoenix king dissolve, replaced by the Eternity King. The Schism has been healed, and the sword of Aenarion is powerless finally.

Quite a shakeup, but a really cool one, imho.


My Ogres have been "Sir (practically) not appearing at all in this film" until Thanquol and even then they take the most respected and well known of all the Ogre mercs and turn him into a betraying sellout asshat. A bit disappointing in that respect. It's kind of stupid that they make Golgfag a double-crossing mercenary. A merc doesn't become renowned and well respected if he sells out his client. Dunno. Just kinda left me feeling like they'd missed the mark a bit.

My general, King Raikhet of the great Nehekharan city Mahrak, was betrayed by his most trusted advisor. The scheming vizier gained access to Neferata's Elixir of Life through his spies and slipped it into his young king's food, thinking to create an immortal pawn through whom he could rule Mahrak as a puppeteer for all time. But the young king's hunger for human blood grew too obvious as he succumbed to the curse of vampirism, and so the vizier had him entombed alive to cover up his involvement. Centuries later he escaped, and raised up a legion of undead with the fell magics coursing through his veins, and prepared to make war on the pretender whose desiccated corpse sits on a throne that should rightfully belong to him - the one, true, LIVING King of Mahrak!


During the End Times, Rhaiket threw his hat in with Nagash, knowing that none could stand against the Great Necromancer and that this would prove his best chance to reclaim his throne. Now with Nehekhara united once again under Nagash he marches upon the world with a host of new forces risen from the spoils of his reconquest of Mahrak, seeking to win fame and riches fighting for the glory of Nagash!

If the world does indeed split apart, then he will find some excuse to remain in Nehekhara so that he can fight on a splinter of the great desert now drifting through the war, so that I won't need to rebase my legion of bone

Normally when GW tweaks fluff it's fairly easy to adapt them to fit them into the new setting but my Lizardmen and Dwarves are pretty much gone.

My Bretonnians are still about since they aren't actually in Bretonnia. I can kind of tweek my HE to work but one of my characters is gone as he would never serve Maliketh, my DE and WE are still about though I'm having trouble putting my WE into one of the elf camps.

My Empire characters are thankfully still around and I haven't had to tweak much for them. Pretty much the only fluff that's not impossible to make valid are my evil characters

My lizardmen haven't noticed that the world has ended yet, on account of they're drunk.

Drunk and sailing around, so they weren't in Lustria. Drunken lizard pirates. In space? Maybe they're in space.

Ok, it hasn't affected me that much because I was just starting coming up with a story when I found out about all the End times stuff. Or maybe it's affected me too much, since I feel like I can't make up a story now.

My unruly horde of beastmen is getting used up as fodder for the northern armies. All the leaders are getting killed off! Malagor gets amber speared by the Supreme Patriarch, Brass Bull gets sniped by the Empire's Huntmaster, The Harbinger(a new character) gets deep fried by the Emperor's Dragon, and Kazrak One-Eye gets his one eye knifed all the way through his skull by Boris Todbringer. The only other characters I care about at this point is Ghorros, the father of centigors and Morghur who is awol as well...

Athel Loren is a no go, now that the united elves live under its trees, but elsewhere, hated civilization is being cast down at an unprecedented rate as the End Times draw near. The chaos gods favor our hordes again with their marks and allies return, both new and old!

Time to die whilst tearing the world down(possibly apart?) !!!

Well, I never really had fluff for my daemons, because their daemons...

I had lots of fluff for my ogres, which may or may not be invalidated... I think I have to wait for book 5 and/or 9th to drop for sure.

Well according to TET the Mountains of Mourn have been destroyed causing the largest migration since the Great Maw.

Alot of the fluff gives very little leeway, it makes me feel like I have to kill off half my characters just because GW says "All Dwarf kings are dead except Ironfist!" or "the Lizards nare in space and the Slaan are all dead." Not overly happy with the current state.

My armies are doing great. Clan Nezumi participated in conquering the Border Princes, my Tzeentch forces are mostly waiting for the main event, and my elves are doing what elves do.

Oh, except my Middenheimers. Yeah, they're not doing all too great.

G&O have pretty much been ignored by End Times. Skarsnik / Gobblar are gone, but given their trash rules, I ain't too sad. Other than that...well...same as before.

Skarsnik is gone? Can you spoiler what happened?

O+G were in Nagash, Glottkin, and Thanquol in various capacities.

Well, for me, Malus Darkblade is dead, as is Morathi.

Phoenix King finally reclaimed his throne but still...

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Well, for me, Malus Darkblade is dead, as is Morathi.

Phoenix King finally reclaimed his throne but still...

Yeah I didn't like that Malus died. I thought he WAS the herald of the end times / avatar of khaine based on some prophecy & since he had the sword. Plus my DE army was his raidiing force from book 2 out of the first omnibus.

As for my VC well Nagash is back so that's a thing. But mine are painted like Ba Sing Se so I just imagine them as the undead from Cathay who came to the old world.

Actually kinda of curious as to what peoples opinions are on the Phoenix King situation? Personally I like what the fluff has given especially after reading the Time of Legends novel concerning Maliketh

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Well according to TET the Mountains of Mourn have been destroyed causing the largest migration since the Great Maw.

Alot of the fluff gives very little leeway, it makes me feel like I have to kill off half my characters just because GW says "All Dwarf kings are dead except Ironfist!" or "the Lizards nare in space and the Slaan are all dead." Not overly happy with the current state.

My Ogres have never set foot in the Mountains of Mourn, so that isnt an issue.

Malekith was always the rightful heir to the Phoenix King, glad that matter has been settled.

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Actually kinda of curious as to what peoples opinions are on the Phoenix King situation? Personally I like what the fluff has given especially after reading the Time of Legends novel concerning Maliketh

I know lots of people on these boards don't like it, but i think its great and was really well done. I thoroughly enjoyed the fluff in Khaine.

EDIT: oh yeah, i also fall in the camp of Malekith always was the rightful phoenix king as well.

In my head the End times has not occured and will not occure. So all my armies are unafflicted by this, thankfully those whom I play with are of a similar mindsett.
So all in all its just another day really for them

My Empire army's background is that of a Border Prince who threw in his lot with the Empire, and now calls himself the Border Count. His troops being better equipped and better trained than their neighbors means they last longer against the Skaven, but I'll need to finish reading the whole thing before deciding if they live (I'm only halfway through Nagash). Regardless, the men of Drakland will defend their homes to the last man, their homeland more important than the Border Count's personal vendetta against the vampires of Sylvania.

Kaernek, Harbinger of Blood and Lord-Captain of the Black Ark Obelisk of Bloody Joy: I really need to read through Khaine for details, but I personally fall on the side that Malekith was always the rightful heir and so my Dark Elves most likely stayed loyal to Malekith. Now that he's the Eternity King, Kaernek probably doesn't get to do as much piracy, but the End Times affords him plenty of chance for blood.

Albrecht the Unmaker, Scion of Tzeentch, is riding at the head of a great Tzeentchian warhost, obliterating anything in his path and leaving nothing behind. His age-old vision of a sea of flames is finally coming to pass, and he's going to make it true. He currently bends knee to Archaon, but he's waiting for an opportune moment to betray the Everchosen and restore Tzeentch to his former status as chief amongst the Ruinous Powers.

 nels1031 wrote:
O+G were in Nagash, Glottkin, and Thanquol in various capacities.

Spoiler:

Gobbla was killed, Skarsnik is still around. One of the Vermin Lords made a deal with Skarsnik that the Skaven would leave him alone and give him the key to destroy/take over another hold, as he couldn't beat the Skaven at 8 Peaks. He marches off with his Waaagh to parts unknown, possibly meet up with Grimgor in the next book, but that's speculation on my part. But he's alive and well, last we saw, just in a funk since Gobbla was killed.

This made me a lot sadder than I thought it would. Maybe I can add a standalone Skarsnik to my army as a NG Warboss, and help him reap vengeance. I'm interested, though. Does this mean that O&G might end up joining the Forces of Good?

How have The End Times affected your fluff?

Not at all. I just ignored it. Same as I ignored chunks of 'official' fluff before it.

Karak Kadrin is destroyed and my army got a living fire god as a new lord choice.. colour me chuffed.

Now I just need a bloody way of taking slayers as core, as soon as they allow that avatars of war will sell me lots and lots of slayerezs.

As to my own fluff, the Redmane clan got what they wanted and have recovered the axe of redmane, thus ending the need for the slayer oath for generations, however when belagor died and his clan over run... the redmane ancestors were shamed that they didn't arrive in time to rescue the great king, thus swore a new slayer oath.

pretty dwarf like that

 Sigvatr wrote:
G&O have pretty much been ignored by End Times. Skarsnik / Gobblar are gone, but given their trash rules, I ain't too sad. Other than that...well...same as before.

I havent been paying attention to end times.ARE SKARSNIK AND GOBBLA REALLY GONE!

Its 2 posts down from what you quoted...

Well ever since I got my elves I had been looking at ways to build a unique army. It started with IOB and 6 thrift store Glade Guard, and now I've got all 3 elf factions represented!

When I was building the army I had envisioned a group of adventuring elves, united against Chaos. Ulthulan seems like a pretty pretentious place, so I wanted my elves to abandon that better than attitude and work alongside the wood elves. The WE work with the HE because, well, they forgot what Avelorn was like, and when they had seen it again they swore fealty to the HE leader, promising to remain united against all odds.

The DE are harder to work into that. I figure maybe long lost brothers, reunited on the battlefield, maybe a Drizzt type character and a few friends decide to forsake their DE ways? At any rate the idea is that all 3 factions work together against a common enemy. I plan on using the HE book to run the whole army, with each faction representing a different unit. The Glade Guard are now Shadow Warriors, the DE fill the role of Pheonix Guard, while the bolt thrower is well, a bolt thrower!

I came up with all this before I had any idea that EoT was a thing and that all the elves would unite anyways. So really it makes my fluff much easier to imagine!

 nels1031 wrote:
Its 2 posts down from what you quoted...

Ahh.Wait will the end times be canon or will it be like storm of chaos?because a warhammer without gobbla...

So how did TET change my view on warhammer? Very much I have to say. Get ready for an old mans tale

- I started with 3rd Edition, which, if I remember correctly, introduced the special characters to the warhammer world through the armybooks and since then have always been somehow.
- I grew up playing against the old patriarch of the magic order, the one before the boy Balthasar Gelt and others. I played against Chaos before Archaon was invented, Egrimm van Horstmann and Arbaal the undefeated were my worst enemies.
- I also saw the rise of the computer game classic "Shadow of the horned rat', which incorporated the fluff very well I had to say and made me love warhammer even more.
- I saw the introduction of Archaon, who didn't have the last treasure of chaos yet, and Chaos knights for 80 points per model. Where a big chaos army consisted of 2 Units, which bested anything in there way. But the feeling of the fluff was unique even though it was produced from more generic fantasy stuff, but still very good.
- *smoking a pipe, taking a deep breath*
- I ave been there when the Video-game "dark Omen" was introduced. it didn't change the fluff. Story line was the same
- Then came the 6th edition, which changed everything. Organization, rules but more over the story. Introduction of new characters: Grimgork, Archaons final form, Balthasar, Luthor Huss, and more.
- With 6th Edition came also Storm of chaos, where GW tried hard to go further in the story. It was overall a nice attempt, with good side stories, but the outcome failed to impress so it was nullified in later editions. But I very much enjoyed the excitement, it gave me. Just imagine you do a battle with your friends, send the result to GW, and it affected the outcome of the campaign. very exciting. But that time overall the armies of destruction had many bad losses, so the outcome looked like a failed chaos crusade. And Archaon called the lord of the end-times was renamed Archaon the ever-chosen, which sounded like "we knew you failed once already and try to cover it with this new name" So ARCHAON STRONGEST OF ALL, HAD A VERY BAD IMAGE.
- It is by that time, that black library novels became more famous and not just Gotrek and Felix saga but also new novels popped up.
- *falling asleep for a moment. the pipe fell down, waking me up in the last moment to prevent a murder attempt of a skaven assassin*
- So then the 7th edition came a biggy but stil not as big as the 8thy later on. New factions were introduced in a big scale Ogres (in the 6th already, but 7th had more impact) and tomb kings mostly. It was here where special characters were nurtured with novels background. But tournament playing got a big focus and fluff became less important for the gamers. IMHO the "mark of chaos" PC game failed to impress the majority of the community. But I started to enjoy playing Skarsnik, who received a huge boost, as well as Gorbad Ironfist, along side many other characters.
- So then the 8th edition came and made the whole playing experience upside-down. Monster and Magic were impressive, and many changes in the rules created huge waves in the community like the 6th edition. but the fluff wasn't changed except for black library which published more and more good new novels. But now we know that they are all preparation or better to say incorporated in the TET.
- TET started to happen and changed the status quo. Everything was changed by the moment Nagash was reintroduced, a character long forgotten in the game, but not in the novels and the end times had finally come and they looked appealing.A shocker yeah but unexpected seeing the development of GW for many years.

So my conclusion is:
TET is a good attempt to go further with the fluff and I long waited for a change. too long were the special characters established in the warhammer history. Surely it hurts to see them die one by one. Because we got used seeing them all the time, but we are too attached to them as well. They are more a symbol then they are characters to play anymore. Skarsnik is the nightgobbo boss with Gobbla as his pet, Thorgrim is the dwarf, Queek the Skaven, Archaon the chaos, the emperor, the empire, Tyrion the high elf, Orion the wood elf, Malekith the dark elf. So if one falls it feels like the whole faction is lost forever. But the truth is, it is not and here I have to admit, GW did a good job in giving us this feeling. So yes TET is exciting and if it is the end of warhammer fantasy and introduces a new world, new game and new factions, then i am happy they atleast let it end in a big and with five nice books and novels.

But I was shocked and cried when Gobbla died, as did Skarsnik. And for me Skarsnik is only whole with Gobbla, as it is for Skarsnik. Read the Skarsnik novel and the TET Rise of the horned rat novel to get what I mean.

I like TET but I'm to old to veteran to go into the post-TET-world. *going through my long old white beard, smoking my pipe"
I will go back to the Warhammer time of the pc game "shadow of the horned rat" after TET and follow that campaign and history of old campaign boxes like "grudge of Drong" in my future games *the old is the best* Good my town scape terrain is still good to go. No skulls everywhere back then.*grumble follow the old ways how it has always been grumble*

 gauckelnder_narr wrote:
So how did TET change my view on warhammer? Very much I have to say. Get ready for an old mans tale

- I started with 3rd Edition, which, if I remember correctly, introduced the special characters to the warhammer world through the armybooks and since then have always been somehow.
- I grew up playing against the old patriarch of the magic order, the one before the boy Balthasar Gelt and others. I played against Chaos before Archaon was invented, Egrimm van Horstmann and Arbaal the undefeated were my worst enemies.
- I also saw the rise of the computer game classic "Shadow of the horned rat', which incorporated the fluff very well I had to say and made me love warhammer even more.
- I saw the introduction of Archaon, who didn't have the last treasure of chaos yet, and Chaos knights for 80 points per model. Where a big chaos army consisted of 2 Units, which bested anything in there way. But the feeling of the fluff was unique even though it was produced from more generic fantasy stuff, but still very good.
- *smoking a pipe, taking a deep breath*
- I ave been there when the Video-game "dark Omen" was introduced. it didn't change the fluff. Story line was the same
- Then came the 6th edition, which changed everything. Organization, rules but more over the story. Introduction of new characters: Grimgork, Archaons final form, Balthasar, Luthor Huss, and more.
- With 6th Edition came also Storm of chaos, where GW tried hard to go further in the story. It was overall a nice attempt, with good side stories, but the outcome failed to impress so it was nullified in later editions. But I very much enjoyed the excitement, it gave me. Just imagine you do a battle with your friends, send the result to GW, and it affected the outcome of the campaign. very exciting. But that time overall the armies of destruction had many bad losses, so the outcome looked like a failed chaos crusade. And Archaon called the lord of the end-times was renamed Archaon the ever-chosen, which sounded like "we knew you failed once already and try to cover it with this new name" So ARCHAON STRONGEST OF ALL, HAD A VERY BAD IMAGE.
- It is by that time, that black library novels became more famous and not just Gotrek and Felix saga but also new novels popped up.
- *falling asleep for a moment. the pipe fell down, waking me up in the last moment to prevent a murder attempt of a skaven assassin*
- So then the 7th edition came a biggy but stil not as big as the 8thy later on. New factions were introduced in a big scale Ogres (in the 6th already, but 7th had more impact) and tomb kings mostly. It was here where special characters were nurtured with novels background. But tournament playing got a big focus and fluff became less important for the gamers. IMHO the "mark of chaos" PC game failed to impress the majority of the community. But I started to enjoy playing Skarsnik, who received a huge boost, as well as Gorbad Ironfist, along side many other characters.
- So then the 8th edition came and made the whole playing experience upside-down. Monster and Magic were impressive, and many changes in the rules created huge waves in the community like the 6th edition. but the fluff wasn't changed except for black library which published more and more good new novels. But now we know that they are all preparation or better to say incorporated in the TET.
- TET started to happen and changed the status quo. Everything was changed by the moment Nagash was reintroduced, a character long forgotten in the game, but not in the novels and the end times had finally come and they looked appealing.A shocker yeah but unexpected seeing the development of GW for many years.

So my conclusion is:
TET is a good attempt to go further with the fluff and I long waited for a change. too long were the special characters established in the warhammer history. Surely it hurts to see them die one by one. Because we got used seeing them all the time, but we are too attached to them as well. They are more a symbol then they are characters to play anymore. Skarsnik is the nightgobbo boss with Gobbla as his pet, Thorgrim is the dwarf, Queek the Skaven, Archaon the chaos, the emperor, the empire, Tyrion the high elf, Orion the wood elf, Malekith the dark elf. So if one falls it feels like the whole faction is lost forever. But the truth is, it is not and here I have to admit, GW did a good job in giving us this feeling. So yes TET is exciting and if it is the end of warhammer fantasy and introduces a new world, new game and new factions, then i am happy they atleast let it end in a big and with five nice books and novels.

But I was shocked and cried when Gobbla died, as did Skarsnik. And for me Skarsnik is only whole with Gobbla, as it is for Skarsnik. Read the Skarsnik novel and the TET Rise of the horned rat novel to get what I mean.

I like TET but I'm to old to veteran to go into the post-TET-world. *going through my long old white beard, smoking my pipe"
I will go back to the Warhammer time of the pc game "shadow of the horned rat" after TET and follow that campaign and history of old campaign boxes like "grudge of Drong" in my future games *the old is the best* Good my town scape terrain is still good to go. No skulls everywhere back then.*grumble follow the old ways how it has always been grumble*

Great post! God I forgot about Gobbla Also a shame because a great model of him and Skarsnik

By the way, anybody remember if Karak Hirn is still around or was that wiped in a one liner somewhere in the books? Can't remember reading about it; that's the theme I have for my Dwarfs!