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I play orks. I typically build/convert and paint them more than I would like to play these days. And I've run into some trouble.

I already have some seriously heavily modified vechiles (one being a Dark Eldar Raider orked up with a Daemon Prince, the big cannon from the Astrum Milliterium artiliary tank (I can't remember the name) deff kopta parts and a few extras. Now I'm able to use this as either a Blitza Bommer or a Battlewagon (it does have a flying port on the bottom). The downside is this, GW really dont encourage people to convert on a scale like this. The rules (and points) for a model of this insanity don't exsist and I'm REALLY reluctant to keep building these crazy conversions.

I want to. I have the ideas for them. But financially I can't justify buying all the kits I need to build it. So, so perhaps encourage me to keep converting, is there an alternate set of rules anyone could think of which would justify these builds? I could ally with different armies and use their rules.

What does everyone think? Suggestions would be REALLY useful.

Look at your codex and pick a unit from it who's models best fits the size and design of your conversion.

That's really all the advice I can give you. There is no hard rule about conversions and it all comes down to your group or TO allowing its use.

If you're playing with a regular group, sit down with them and come up with appropriate rules to use.

Otherwise, as Crownaxe said, the best you can do is run it as whatever it best fits as.

Probably the closest way I'd get away with it is by running Unbound, but that's not something I'm very keen on. Up here is a varied decision on whether or not it's ok to run unbound and Forge World :/

As a rule of a thumb, tryto keep with the size and base of the target model.

But if you're playing in a friendly group, even this stuff doesn't matter. You can even create your own rules for the 'thing'.

There were Vehicle Design Rules at one time but they went the way of the squats.

I thinks this is a good advise that look at your codex and also pick a product from it that is models most closely fits the dimensions and design of one's the conversion process.

When I do conversions my 1st goal is always to be about the same size as in all 3 dimensions as the GW standard model. My 2nd goal is keep the weapons WSYWIG. None of this 'see that plasma pistol in his hand? Thats actually a lascannon."but there is plenty of wiggle room here so long as the weapon you are converting two is fairly obscure and you are either using a different obscure weapon as a stand in or have made some seriois changes that at a glance its not the weapon people have come to expect those bits to represent.

But when you convert, what the model will count as when you are done should be kept in mind at all times. Designing it to count for a couple different things is OK in my book.

i think gw would be okay with heavy conversions (and probably tournaments) if you use stats for untis already in your codex. using it as an ally (and thus another codex) should be fine as long as your okay with working with the penalties of the allies matrix.

an example of this is a gorkanaut im converting from a hulk toy, thing is i think the end result is going to be bigger than an actual gorkanut and close to the size of a imperial knight, so ive toyed with the idea of having it as a counts as ork imperial knight (haven't tried it out as an ally yet, but eventualy will).

gw should be fine with heavy conversion models because we still have the rules for the looted wagon (whtie dwarf exclusive). if they weren't ok with us using big "counts as" models then they would've done away with the looted wagon (since the looted wagon technically has no actual model and could literaly be converted from anything, like the huge landraider, or even the small dark eldar venom). as far as using your model for something else from the codex i would at least make sure it was close to the same dimensions of the original model (little bigger should be fine).

a looted vehicle with a big killy kannon? sounds to me like a looted wagon with a killkannon.