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I had a thought the other day about what could be done to replace the Shield Eternal in the new Marine dex, as it seems Eternal Warrior is getting rarer. With my plan, I can remove an overpowered relic and buff one of the cooler yet underpowered ones.

I'd remove the shield, and instead add Eternal Warrior to the Armor Indomitus's one turn 2++ effect. Adamantium Will can just get added to the armor as a constant effect or removed all together.


Another option would be to permanently add Eternal Warrior to a suit of armor, but have it be Terminator Armor instead, which brings it's own, more balanced, limitations.


Thoughts?

 Perth wrote:
I had a thought the other day about what could be done to replace the Shield Eternal in the new Marine dex, as it seems Eternal Warrior is getting rarer. With my plan, I can remove an overpowered relic and buff one of the cooler yet underpowered ones.

I'd remove the shield, and instead add Eternal Warrior to the Armor Indomitus's one turn 2++ effect. Adamantium Will can just get added to the armor as a constant effect or removed all together.


Another option would be to permanently add Eternal Warrior to a suit of armor, but have it be Terminator Armor instead, which brings it's own, more balanced, limitations.


Thoughts?

You're paying 35 points essentially for EW, on top of 15 for a SS. I honestly feel its fine, in fact I think EW needs to be more common HQ option among every codex, the new Solitare EW is great because of that.

 Quickjager wrote:

 Perth wrote:
I had a thought the other day about what could be done to replace the Shield Eternal in the new Marine dex, as it seems Eternal Warrior is getting rarer. With my plan, I can remove an overpowered relic and buff one of the cooler yet underpowered ones.

I'd remove the shield, and instead add Eternal Warrior to the Armor Indomitus's one turn 2++ effect. Adamantium Will can just get added to the armor as a constant effect or removed all together.


Another option would be to permanently add Eternal Warrior to a suit of armor, but have it be Terminator Armor instead, which brings it's own, more balanced, limitations.


Thoughts?

You're paying 35 points essentially for EW, on top of 15 for a SS. I honestly feel its fine, in fact I think EW needs to be more common HQ option among every codex, the new Solitare EW is great because of that.

I see it as 15 pts for a SS, 5 pts for adamantium will, and 30 pts for EW. It's really priced quite well. The other relics need to be cheaper. Just look at the BA relics, the most expensive one is 25 pts and it's a jump pack with a couple special rules.

Yeah. I wish BA had the spear of telesto (been awhile since I read,, did I spell it right?) :( I hope it comes out in a supplement.

 Perth wrote:
I had a thought the other day about what could be done to replace the Shield Eternal in the new Marine dex, as it seems Eternal Warrior is getting rarer. With my plan, I can remove an overpowered relic and buff one of the cooler yet underpowered ones.

I'd remove the shield, and instead add Eternal Warrior to the Armor Indomitus's one turn 2++ effect. Adamantium Will can just get added to the armor as a constant effect or removed all together.


Another option would be to permanently add Eternal Warrior to a suit of armor, but have it be Terminator Armor instead, which brings it's own, more balanced, limitations.


Thoughts?

I like your ideas. 30 pt for eternal warrior that ALSO brings 3++ for 15 pt and Iron Will for 5 pt on a model that potentially costs 200+ pts is a steal. For example, orks must pay 50 pt for just Eternal Warrior (fnp won't get used as there's alwayz a painboss and relentless is useless) on a character that costs like 100-130 pt. AND it's only avaliable for Ghazzy detachment which is overall worse than the original one.

Currently, i feel that shield eternal is too good. I don't mind a super-terminator suit with 4++ and eternal warrior for like 50 pt. It could also incorporate something like a master-crafter power fist. Sounds cool.

Being a DA, I just wish my codex had something that actually offers eternal warrior. I mean, the only even slightly comparable piece of wargear gives me shrouded and FNP for like 50 points. I have one model that can get eternal warrior.

I personally wish I could have access to special armor grey knights can get, the one that gives them IWND I think? Or something along those lines.

Eh,then I'd just buy a stor shield on top of it or take the opportunity to get a lightning claw to pair with it, thus getting an extra attack out of the deal.

It'd probably be a wash, since I save points for not having to buy artificer armour. Sure, relentless is useless but I'll get over it.

Al you would really accomplish is making the chapter master better if you put ew on the armor indominatus instead of the shield eternal.

The Solitaire probably got EW because he got IDed from Krak grenades and PGs too frquently. But probably shouldn't have it, considering how rare its supposed to be.

Hell, even the Avatar of Khaine doesn't have it, and he's practically the poster boy for where it should be (body is just molten metal, so a gaping hole in where his chest once was won't stop it, and is powered by the psyche of the Craftworlders, so a Force weapon or equiv won't affect it).

50 pts does seem about right, for a foot/jetpack/termie captain/CM, but start stacking it all on a bike, and it gets stupid.

 Crazyterran wrote:

Al you would really accomplish is making the chapter master better if you put ew on the armor indominatus instead of the shield eternal.

Probably not cause bikes are stupid good for so few points. We do lack propa terminator beatsticks while there are a ton of biker ones.