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Might be a bit of a sensitive spot for some, but I just want to know what you guys think of gay mariiage? I personally think that it's completely fine, and no book or law can prevent me from thinking that.

Why do you insist on starting flame bait threads like this?

Go read the Supreme Court discussion thread. It's pretty recent.

Yeah, no kidding?

Troll much?

 Matthew wrote:
Might be a bit of a sensitive spot for some, but I just want to know what you guys think of gay mariiage? I personally think that it's completely fine, and no book or law can prevent me from thinking that.

Guess it depends how big a book it is and how hard it hits you round the head

I am all for it ... that way when they get a divorce they can lose half of their gak too. People put too much thought and emotion into a friggin piece of paper. It really does not matter what the outside world thinks of two people that are living together. If you need a sheet of paper for some sort of validation ... I feel bad for you. The only reason that I am married to my wife is because SHE wanted it, I could not care less. I made a vow to her and myself that there would be no others ... and that was way before we got said sheet of paper.

As long as no religious group is forced to conduct said marriages go for it (any that are willing should be free to take part).

Steve, Jane, Bob and Jenifer can marry each other in whatever permutations they want and as long as their legal rights and responsibilities are the same it's cool

I think homosexuals should be allowed to live together, but the word "gay marriage" makes me feel uncomfortable. I would like to see them give it a different name.
I also do not think religious people should be forced into conducting marriages that they oppose.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
I think homosexuals should be allowed to live together, but the word "gay marriage" makes me feel uncomfortable. I would like to see them give it a different name.
I also do not think religious people should be forced into conducting marriages that they oppose.

I believe the alternate name is Civil Union.

-Purged-

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
I am all for it ... that way when they get a divorce they can lose half of their gak too. People put too much thought and emotion into a friggin piece of paper. It really does not matter what the outside world thinks of two people that are living together. If you need a sheet of paper for some sort of validation ... I feel bad for you. The only reason that I am married to my wife is because SHE wanted it, I could not care less. I made a vow to her and myself that there would be no others ... and that was way before we got said sheet of paper.

Believe it or not, it's not just a piece of paper. There's unfortunately a lot of rights and benefits that go along with being married. A couple years back an astronaut passed away and her partner was denied her benefits (IIRC it was a pension) because they were not married. Theres also several stories of partners being denied from the emergency room or being able to make medical decisions because they're not married.

I agree, it's just a piece of paper, it doesn't define your relationship, but unfortunately there are some heavy impacts it has.

I'm fine with gay marriage.

Mostly positive. I'm all for it, but I also have some friends on the militant, left-libertarian side of the gender equality debate who think that, after decades fighting for the right to deviate from what society at large believes to be normal, being forced into the state-sanctioned heteronormative canon is humiliating. I don't agree with this, but can certainly see their point.

All this debate on the etymology of the word "marriage" baffles me to no end, though. Mostly because the Spanish language has other words that also have its roots on ancient roman institutions which used to be gendered, but are not anymore. The word "Patrimonio" for instance, refers to the right to own wealth and transmit inheritance. Going by Roman law this was a right exclusive to the paterfamilias, the father (Being a father wasn't enough to qualify for the title of paterfamilias, but let's leave it here for simplicity's sake). Nowadays, "patrimonio" has lost its gender connotation, and noone in his sane mind would use its etymological origins in an obsolete Roman custom to deny a woman's right to own and pass property. Maybe it's different in other languages, though.

First person I see stereotyping one side as "religious wackos" or "SJW's" or anything of the same gets a warning/holiday and the thread locked. There's the warning, please abide by it.

I think it's completely fine and should be allowed anywhere really.

I feel like all of these semi-spam, one sentence threads made by OP are in fact written by a robot that's collating various opinions and view points on a wide range of topics in order to form a realistic personality and memories to pass itself off as human.

I live in Massachusetts.

 nels1031 wrote:
I feel like all of these semi-spam, one sentence threads made by OP are in fact written by a robot that's collating various opinions and view points on a wide range of topics in order to form a realistic personality and memories to pass itself off as human.

Oh no, he's on to us!! Quick OP, run!!!

There is no valid reason to be found on this planet why homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry. The end.

 nels1031 wrote:
I feel like all of these semi-spam, one sentence threads made by OP are in fact written by a robot that's collating various opinions and view points on a wide range of topics in order to form a realistic personality and memories to pass itself off as human.

Plotting the downfall of the Human race one flaming Thread at a time?

For what it's worth, I agree wholeheartedly with Gay Civil Union (to be PC about it)

Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Gay people should have the same right to marry as anyone else.

However, the inconvenient truth remains that homosexuality goes against the beliefs/teachings of most religions. So I don't think the right to gay marriage should override the right of churches to object and opt out on religious grounds.

You want gay marriage? Great. Find a church willing to perform the wedding ceremony or have a secular wedding.


And I say that as an atheist.

Can we please lock this immediately?

Homophobes hate on homosexuals who want to marry, heterophobes hate on heterosexuals who dare speak up against homosexual marriage or, rather, the privileges marriage grants.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Can we please lock this immediately?

Homophobes hate on homosexuals who want to marry, heterophobes hate on heterosexuals who dare speak up against homosexual marriage or, rather, the privileges marriage grants.

I don't understand the latter. Can you please expand?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Gay people should have the same right to marry as anyone else.

However, the inconvenient truth remains that homosexuality goes against the beliefs/teachings of most religions. So I don't think the right to gay marriage should override the right of churches to object and opt out on religious grounds.

You want gay marriage? Great. Find a church willing to perform the wedding ceremony or have a secular wedding.


And I say that as an atheist.

Secular weddings are way more fun anyway. My wife and I got married secularly because at the time we had different religious traditions, and it would have alienated one side of the family or the other if we were married in either church. Marry who you wish, as long as they are of consenting age and consent.

I look forward to new traditions like Best Man arm wrestling contests and flower arrangements that can be seen from space.

Philosophically, I don't think the government has a role in the institution of marriage, or whatever covenant one consenting adult makes without another consenting adult.

Since extricating marriage from the legal code is not pragmatic, then as a fallback position, I believe the text of the 14th amendment unambiguously allows gay marriage.

 jreilly89 wrote:


I don't understand the latter. Can you please expand?

It's the same thing that happens with e.g. immigration. If you say anything against immigration, you're a nazi, if you say anything against same-sex marriage, you're a bigot.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:


I don't understand the latter. Can you please expand?

It's the same thing that happens with e.g. immigration. If you say anything against immigration, you're a nazi, if you say anything against same-sex marriage, you're a bigot.

I think that's kind of taking it to an extreme. You can disagree with same sex marriage, but when you start saying things like "Homosexuals are going to hell, deserve to die, etc.", thats what crosses the line into bigotry.

Same thing with immigration.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
I am all for it ... that way when they get a divorce they can lose half of their gak too. People put too much thought and emotion into a friggin piece of paper. It really does not matter what the outside world thinks of two people that are living together. If you need a sheet of paper for some sort of validation ... I feel bad for you. The only reason that I am married to my wife is because SHE wanted it, I could not care less. I made a vow to her and myself that there would be no others ... and that was way before we got said sheet of paper.

Believe it or not, it's not just a piece of paper. There's unfortunately a lot of rights and benefits that go along with being married. A couple years back an astronaut passed away and her partner was denied her benefits (IIRC it was a pension) because they were not married. Theres also several stories of partners being denied from the emergency room or being able to make medical decisions because they're not married.

I agree, it's just a piece of paper, it doesn't define your relationship, but unfortunately there are some heavy impacts it has.

I'm fine with gay marriage.

There was also that law in Texas (I think, was a while ago that I heard about it) that made it illegal for a divorcee to have their kids sleep in the same house as their new partner unless they were married to that partner. Was meant to protect children from their parent just bringing random people back every night, according to the people who made the law.

Hit the papers a while back after a woman divorced her husband after coming out as a lesbian and then she couldn't have her kids live with her and her new partner as Texas didn't recognise same sex marriages. So what it actually did was basically make it illegal for homosexual couples to have children.

I'm absolutely fine with it, and have actively campaigned for its legalization.

I feel that in 20 years time we will look back on same sex marriage in the same way we look back at inter-racial marriage today.

As long as marriage confers legal status and benefits to the partners of such, no-one should be denied it.

 nels1031 wrote:
I feel like all of these semi-spam, one sentence threads made by OP are in fact written by a robot that's collating various opinions and view points on a wide range of topics in order to form a realistic personality and memories to pass itself off as human.

Pfft, amateur.
I am much more subt-uh, never mind.

 marv335 wrote:
I'm absolutely fine with it, and have actively campaigned for its legalization.

I feel that in 20 years time we will look back on same sex marriage in the same way we look back at inter-racial marriage today.

As long as marriage confers legal status and benefits to the partners of such, no-one should be denied it.

I think that's the main impact. Don't get me wrong, I think it's wrong to deny same sex marriage on any grounds, but a lot of people don't realize the impact that being in a relationship and not being able to get married has: taxes, death, medical decisions, etc.