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What does happen if i choose to target an enemy flyer and then get one of the blast powers? Per "Flyers -> Hard to hit" they cant be hit by such weapons:

Template and Blast weapons, and any other attacks that dont roll To Hit, cannot hit Zooming Flyers.

so how do you resolve that? It only says that they can not HIT so im assuming that it is allowed to put the blast template on to the flyer, scatter it and hope to hit something else instead. Hits against the flyer are just ignored. Do i miss some other rule (like "you cant shoot at things you cant hurt", etc.) or does this work?

As I see it you've got 3 options.

1) The weapon cannot be fired and the powers may be used again (same target, different target makes no difference)
2) The weapon cannot fire but the powers have been used, you are out of luck my friend.
3) The weapon fires but cannot hit its target, perhaps the blast will hit something else....

there is no right answer here, because as you pointed out this is the only instance where the weapon 'becomes a blast weapon' after you already choose to target a flyer and the rulebook does not inform us what happens. Discuss with you opponent before the game, I know my group is likely to choose option 3 because its a more interesting result.

Answer #3 is the RAW.

You can put the blast marker on the flyer and hope it scatters onto something else.

Arn't blast templates hits calculated by the level on wich they are fired?

or is this Vs Buildings only?

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Arn't blast templates hits calculated by the level on wich they are fired?

or is this Vs Buildings only?

That's not even in the rules anymore (that was 6th edition).

I could have sworn that they can't be used as a snap shots, but I would have to agree with option 3.
Is this the only way you can shoot a FMC in swooping with as blast without skyfire?

 Nilok wrote:
I could have sworn that they can't be used as a snap shots, but I would have to agree with option 3.
Is this the only way you can shoot a FMC in swooping with as blast without skyfire?

If you look at the rules for shooting at flyers, it does say that you can only fire snap shots at them, but then it goes on to say that blasts/templates cannot hit flyers.

So to me, that says you technically can fire blasts/templates at a flyer, you juts can't hit them.

 yakface wrote:

 Nilok wrote:
I could have sworn that they can't be used as a snap shots, but I would have to agree with option 3.
Is this the only way you can shoot a FMC in swooping with as blast without skyfire?

If you look at the rules for shooting at flyers, it does say that you can only fire snap shots at them, but then it goes on to say that blasts/templates cannot hit flyers.

So to me, that says you technically can fire blasts/templates at a flyer, you juts can't hit them.

The Hard to Hit for FMC is a little different than the one for Flyers. FMC lack the protection from Blasts and Templates, you just can't shoot them with snap shots, but if a Blast happens to hit them, they take the hit.
Edit: Derp, you still need Skyfire for it to resolve the hit, need that mysterious objective for it to work.

 yakface wrote:

 Nilok wrote:
I could have sworn that they can't be used as a snap shots, but I would have to agree with option 3.
Is this the only way you can shoot a FMC in swooping with as blast without skyfire?

If you look at the rules for shooting at flyers, it does say that you can only fire snap shots at them, but then it goes on to say that blasts/templates cannot hit flyers.

So to me, that says you technically can fire blasts/templates at a flyer, you juts can't hit them.

However, don't the rules also say you cannot fire blasts/templates as snap shots?

FMC H2H;

Shots resolved at such a target can only be resolved as snap shots unless the model or weapon has the Skyfire special rule.

Snap Shots;

...If a special rule doesn't specifically state that it affects Snap Shots, then the Snap Shot is resolved at Ballistic Skill 1...
.... Some weapon types, such as Template and Ordnance, or those that have certain special rules, such as Blasts, cannot be fired as Snap Shots.

So building a chain out of this all were stuck with "cant shoot at all":

1. Choose a flyer or FMC as target
2. roll a blast
3. any weapong against a flyer or FMC has to be made as snap shot
4. snap shot forbids using blast weapons
5. no shooting allowed

The part where the weapon becomes a blast after you chose the target only matters because you are now not allowed to target a flyer - as opposed to normal blast weapons that are not allowed to target flyers in the first place.

My first thought of getting to fire but without the possibility to hurt the flyer was based on the fact that you are actually allowed to fire a blast weapon on to the flyer in this scenario, which gets overriden by the common prohibition to fire blasts at flyers and thus is wrong.

There is one exception to the above: if you manage to get the CTan Skyfire: now you your attacks work against FMC but not against flyers:
you are now not shooting snap shots - so there is no restriction forbiding the use of your weapon - so you use it. If your target is a FMC everything is fine - it gets hit and propably wounded etc. If your target is a flyer the "a flyer cant be hit by a blast/template weabon" part comes in to play. Now we have to argue if to hit in this case means, you cant put a blast teamplate on it, or if you simply dont resolve any hit against the flyer.
If you consider "hit" in the normal language id say that now you have to scatter so faar away that your blast dosnt hit the flyer.
Or we consider "to hit" as reference to the to hit construct of the rules - which then says that you cant rulewise hit the flyer so its ok to put the template on it, but it just has no effekt.